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Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

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[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 331 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Now the pos conservatives are gonna start calling the pope woke. 🤣🤣🤣

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 203 points 1 year ago (23 children)

They're already doing that, have been for a long time. I have a Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a Catholic coworker who said some of her Catholic relatives were becoming “Christians”, which turned out to mean Evangelicals.

[–] Pat12@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I had a Catholic coworker who said some of her Catholic relatives were becoming “Christians”, which turned out to mean Evangelicals.

in the US they refer to Protestants as "Christians", mainstream Christianity is made up of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

I've seen a lot of that and not just recently.

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[–] dartos@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all religions are just fake copycats of the one true god.

Praise be Flying Spaghetti Monster

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[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago

I mean, most protestant Christians dislike Catholicism, that's why they are called protestants after all.

The new part is American evangelicals and other extremists thinking that catholicism not being conservative enough...

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Conservative Protestants have been saying that for a very long time though. The attitude is so pervasive that my wife, who grew up Catholic (but has not been one for decades), has to be reminded that Catholics are Christians.

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[–] ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website 285 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

my god that is the best meme ever

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[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 126 points 1 year ago (12 children)

These christians will drop their Pope before they drop their politics

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They already have. Only Roman Catholics really care what the Pope has to say. There are far more Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal, and Presbyterian in the US than Catholics.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic church, it's always been the case that only Catholics really care about what he says.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (10 children)

For reasons I can't explain, many of those denominations don't even recognize the catholic church as being Christian.

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[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That ship has already sailed - I was just with my conservative uncle this last weekend when he complained that the current pope is "woke"

To these people, their political ideology is their religion

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[–] match@pawb.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pope? They'll drop Jesus Himself if it suits them

[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 23 points 1 year ago

They already have. Been reports of congregations who have complained the the words of Jesus are too woke and weak...

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Pope Francis is completely right.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 80 points 1 year ago (51 children)

Religion is the biggest scourge against humans. Controlling behavior, brainwashing the young and stolen untold trillions of $$. Fuck religion. They all need to be labeled as cults and treated as harshly.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Religion, at its core, is basically rules that state "don't be a dick." Unfortunately, all of the dicks didn't get the message.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not "don't be a dick'.

It's "do as we want you to do"

Plenty of the rules are "be a dick, like this:"

Plenty of the rules are "don't do this objectively harmless thing"

Plenty of the rulez are "do this ridiculously pointless thing"

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[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Ish.

Many religions are more "don't be a dick to your fellow brothers in faith, but feel free to be a dick to others". In-group out-group dynamics were historically quite important.

You know - "don't murder", but at the same time Deuteronomy says

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.

Also

(19) “You are not to lend at interest to your brother, no matter whether the loan is of money, food or anything else that can earn interest. 21 (20) To an outsider you may lend at interest, but to your brother you are not to lend at interest, so that Adonai your God will prosper you in everything you set out to do in the land you are entering in order to take possession of it.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (23 children)

I would settle for taxing them.

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[–] Archer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

We're doing pretty good on the king front, lets work on the priests a bit

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[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Cult" is just something the big congregation calls the small congregation.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

first Jesus, now the pope is woke? At what point do I start considering that maybe I'm actually the asshole here?

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[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I have found this to be true. The current pope is doing a lot of work to bring Catholicism into the modern age. Starting with acknowledging and addressing in material ways the history of abuse.

There is going to be , or should be , a full on schism in the US church. The parishioners I practice with are more for the Republican Party than for the pope. They basically are waiting for him to die and ignoring doctrine that does not match ‘how it used to be’ Ya know with all of the sexual abuse and bigotry.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 64 points 1 year ago (22 children)

The pope ain't perfect. But goddamn do I love him stripping corrupt officials of their position, being much more chill towards my queer brothers and sisters worldwide, and telling the US arm to remove the giant sticks from their ass over abortion and divorce.

I hope he lives till 130 and keeps being a stabilizing force for good. It's a rarity to see religious officials who are not only reasonable, but actively trying to make the world a slightly better place.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You're just buying into and regurgitating his PR. The Pope talks and acts in opposition to his bullshit platitudes. It's business as usual against the lgbt community in every Catholic Church across most of the world, including the Vatican. He himself was a known homophobe long before he was pope. He continues to ignore and refuses to meet with the victims of priest sexual abuse. He is a bullshiter and I can't believe anyone on the left buys into any of it

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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New Pope diss track just dropped.

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[–] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the fruits of the GOP strategy that's been going on for decades to strengthen their support through Christian believers. The Pope is just recognizing the impact of that from the religious side, whereas Barry Goldwater warned of it's impact from the political side.

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

It certainly is a terrible damn problem, and we're knee deep in the shit right now.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being called "backwards" by the head of the catholic church is quite something

[–] ineedaunion@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure it was a Roman Catholic priest that burned all the Mayan texts. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest destroyer and oppressor that ever existed.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Broken clock right twice a day, etc.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

American conservatives really hate that this pope prioritizes Jesus-y stuff like love, forgiveness, and taking care of your fellow humans.

I have a bunch of Catholic family members that are much more into being angry, fighting to shove dogma down everyone’s throat, and not helping anyone that doesn’t sit in the pew next to them.

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[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives

Media needs to find another word for speaking up in opposition to something.

[–] MarigoldPuppyFlavors@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Slammed. The pope lept from the turnbuckle, robes aflurry, and slammed the backwardness.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pope is 100% correct on this one. But on terrorist state ruzzia, he misses the mark by a mile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirI4eSTNag

[–] Mr_Blott 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuckin hell America, you annoyed the fuckin Pope?

That's usually reserved for genocidal maniacs 😂

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[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's organized crime and mob taking over America. And they are already in...

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