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[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Tech bros saying anti ai is ableist is the same energy as when white liberals do that “speaking over a black woman eh??” Anytime some is like “genocide is bad” to Kamala.

One of my good friends has a disabling birth defect and is still a very talented painter in spite of it and it annoying to see such artists be tokenized so that the most brain dead, morally bankrupt, talentless tech bros can snort through their Tuesday bag and try to justify their useless theft machine

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Miyazaki also has a disabled friend. I’m not sure what the extent of his exposure to AI is, but some dorks showed him AI for some lifeless zombie corpse flopping around and he scolded them for offending life itself and they were on the verge of tears lol miyazaki-laugh

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

God that clip is pure kino

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

One of my good friends has a disabling birth defect and is still a very talented painter

I mean, I dont agree with NaNoWriMo citing ableism as a reason to allow AI but.

Doesnt this point have the same energy as "Half Cordinated is good at Dark Souls so therefor video games don't need accessibility features?"

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago
[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

a marketing genius at NaNoWriMo thinks that the inflated numbers from the first AI rip at the event will somehow outweigh the negative PR of completely defeating the purpose of your raison d'etre.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Who would have thought that the organization that encourages people to write fast would encourage taking shortcuts?

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

founded in the Bay Area

Obviously

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

We're gonna be several levels deep when AI starts using AI for its reference material...

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

(I wonder if AI wrote this...)

[–] robinnist@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

“Support real artists” is a petty-bourgeois slogan used to keep their monopoly on the means of art production; painters had the same reaction to the invention of the camera. AI is the future, and denying it now is like the ridiculous protests against the introduction of the imaginary number, and before them of the old “imaginary numbers,” negatives.

Yes, it’s classist Ludditism to wholly condemn AI, just as it’s ableism to reject AI when it can be very useful to aid disabled people in work. If you like leisure and development, you like AI. Just look at this amazing image I generated using AI:

Prompt: “Communist Robin (DC comics Robin not the bird please)”

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

lol you almost had me

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

God damn, I’ve met this guy in real life and you got my blood pumping lol

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There is always an urge to moralize technology, for some reason. The technology itself is not evil, in fact I really like AI a lot, and I couldn't imagine my life without it. Frankly, I do use it in ways that help me cope with ADHD so maybe NaNoWriMo is based (IDK what that company is, what they do, and if they suck ass which being a tech company they likely do).

However the externalities of how AI has been used is awful. First of all, no data center should be allowed to be built without the company also building 2X the energy production in renewables. Then, there is the tech industries general exploitation of labor, and of course the eventuality that the tech will all be used to enforce fascim and genocide (edit: and of course stealing art for training data, which should not be legal. AI companies should be buying the rights to art or employing artists just the same as they pay trainers to produce other training data) and...I hate the industry, but still love the technology.

Hopefully I can learn how to run my own LLM locally, but for now I am a heavy user of the OpenAI API.

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I couldn't imagine my life without it.

I don't mean this as a dunk, but I am inacapable of thinking how you couldn't imagine life without a technology that most people (presumably including you) could only start using less than 5 years ago. That's not very long ago.

Hopefully I can learn how to run my own LLM locally, but for now I am a heavy user of the OpenAI API.

You could try out OLlama.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

I dont have anything capable unfortunately. I could use a cloud solution, but right now im just trusting openAI that they dont store data from their API.

I guess i just habitually use it. I dont know, i guess what i mean is if it disappeared i would miss it

[–] asante@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

dunking on this so hard rn niko-dunk

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

LLMs at their most innocuous are a glorified spellcheck. I was recently at a conference where some educators remarked about how there was nothing wrong with "check this block of text", but any essay fully generated by a LLM was extremely obvious to catch.

Also a glorified search tool, that we now need to wade through the filler that gets pushed to the top of search engines.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Saying that blanket condemnation of a technology is dumb is bad? I agree with the highlighted statement.

AI can allow people to create things they would be otherwise unable to create due disabilities. How is this even a debateable point?

Lower classes of people often don't have the time to learn skills like painting or music to the same degree as people born into the ownership class. Being against the development of tools that can make up for some of that lack of skill is classist.

AI is currently used to oppress working class people but under capitalism that is always the end point for any technological advancement. It is not a problem with the tech itself just its implementation.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

It's bad under capitalism. If we had a different system where artists didn't need to work for their livelihood, having them freely give their works to AI development in order to create AI art might be interesting. That's not the world we live in though.

Bringing disabilities into it isn't gonna outweigh the fact that corporations are currently stealing the work of individual people for their gain, without compensation to those people.

I would also say that learning how to art good has very few hurdles in front of it in current year. Most artists I know and have paid for art have never formally studied art at all. You really just need an art program, which are free (for real or for pirates) and either a dedicated art tablet (cheap ones cost less than 100$), or a regular tablet with an art program. Oh and thousands of hours of practice. Which is something you only do if you have the drive to learn, regardless of your monetary situation. Do you think most artists actually impacted by AI art are rich assholes who learned art out of boredom because their family had too much money? That's about as big a group as the amount of rich people who learn carpentry because they have free time. Which is to say: very very few.

But conversely I could point you at dozens of people from developing countries right that I have interacted with, who have been able to live comfortable lives by learning art and doing commissions over the internet. Yea we should really get on task stealing from them so that some Silicon Valley asshole can make another billion dollars. Sterling logic.

Also, is it abelist to say that if someone can't invest those hours, they should not be able to do good art? I don't think so. Like any skill, you have to hone it and get good over time through experience. If you can't put in the time to learn it after you work your day job (literally me), then that sucks, but that's not a disability. And if you do have a disability, I guess it's okay to go to a carpenter and demand they give you some furniture, because you can't make it yourself. Makes total sense. I would support going to Ikea to demand your furniture, but that is where the comparison breaks down, because corporations don't make art.

Also, to tackle this from another angle: There is no creative process involved in telling an AI to make you a picture. Actually ZERO. You aren't being creative by writing "Woman drinking Tea Art Station High Quality Red Hair Name of real artist I want you to steal from" into the prompter and then discarding the first seven outputs because they have too many fingers and the teacup looks weird.

Saying that we should join into the exploitation because it's inevitable under capitalism is just you wanting your treats and working backwards from there. No ethical consumption under capitalism wasn't meant as an instructional manual. You are still meant to not partake in the stuff you don't have to partake in if you can help it.

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

AI can allow people to create things they would be otherwise unable to create due disabilities. How is this even a debateable point?

Lower classes of people often don't have the time to learn skills like painting or music to the same degree as people born into the ownership class. Being against the development of tools that can make up for some of that lack of skill is classist.

Sorry, but this is a joke, right?

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