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After Donald Trump told journalists on Wednesday that his presidential opponent Kamala Harris “turned Black” for political gain, Trump’s comments have impacted the way many multirace voters are thinking about the two candidates.

“She was only promoting Indian heritage,” the former president said during an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists convention last week. “I didn’t know she was Black until a number of years ago, when she happened to turn Black, and now she wants to be known as Black.”

“Is she Indian or is she Black?” he asked.

She’s both.

Harris, whose mother was Indian and her father is Jamaican, would make history if she is elected president. She would be both the first female president and the first Asian American president.

Multiracial American voters say they have heard similar derogatory remarks about their identities their whole lives. Some identify with Harris’ politics more than others but, overall, they told NBC News that Trump’s comments will not go unnoticed.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 246 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (31 children)

Multiracial American voters say they have heard similar derogatory remarks about their identities their whole lives.

half asian here. from childhood onward, i get asked "where are you from," and by the look on their face they're not satisfied with "tennessee" because obviously you can't be from anywhere in the states if you're less than 100% white. so anytime someone says "where are you from" what i hear is "what chingchong chinaman land are you"

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Half Asian here. At least in my experience, those questions don't tend to come from a place of malice, just a genuine curiosity of ethnic background since they can't figure it out by look.

Sure, there are some racists too. But I've had plenty of ambivalent conversations that start off that way. Beats starting a conversation on weather or other generic topics.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago

i prefer to assume positive intent whenever i can. then i read things like the title of this post.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

It may not come from malice but it sure makes them stupid when interactions like this is normal.

https://youtu.be/d_CaZ4EAexQ?si=ty9I1zv8isihm8nY

Also, not everybody is comfortable talking about that as a starter conversation.

[–] Graphy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Half Asian here and yeah I never assume someone’s coming from a bad place when they ask.

I hope people don’t become too afraid to ask where someone’s from in fear of looking racist or some dumb shit. It’s natural to be curious and I’ve had people take guesses from Indian to India.

[–] Blackmist 26 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile my wife is from overseas. But because she's white, they'll quite happily let her know about all their xenophobia and racism, because they think she's one of them.

"Not you, you're one of the good ones" is trotted out constantly among those who suddenly remember who they're talking to.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

because obviously you can’t be from anywhere in the states

try it with native american ancestory that is no longer native due to the pogroms in the 19th & 20th centuries; it doesn't matter that we were here first, we truly can't be from here anymore because nearly all of the ones who lived on this side of the border were genocided out of existence so now we have to get permission to live on the land we've been inhabiting for thousands of years.

the icing on this cake is pointing this out brands you a malcontent for doing so.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And then you also get a bunch of white people (like me until a few years ago) who think it's a point of pride they are 1/16th Cherokee without realizing it likely means their great great grandmother was raped by a white guy. My great great grandparents were married, but I have no idea whether it was a forced marriage by him stealing her or if it was a love marriage.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i always felt that the cherokee great great grandma thing was a nicer/kinder american version of the mexican thing.

dna tests have confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that the european contribution to modern mexicans is extremely minimal and very concentrated in the few places where it becomes statistically significant enough to measure, but the popular cultural consensus minimizes native contribution; meaning that the great great grandma raping was at such a hugely pervasive scale that it literally created countries all throughout latin america full of people that have actively chosen to forget about all the great great grandma rape.

i used to think that it was a crazy one-off occurrence from a century ago and that any sane person today would never cooperate with that kind of groupthink in the modern day; but hearing people on lemmyverse and reddit minimizing an active genocide is merely a "privileged single issue voter perspective" and i think i'm starting to understand how that great great cherokee grandma story came into existence.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That reminds me of the scene in Parks and Rec where someone asks where Tom Haverford (Aziz Ansari) is from. He responds Illinois. Then the person asks "but where are your parents from?" He responds "Georgia."

[–] sahuaro@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago

fine I'll rewatch parks and rec

[–] Acrimonious@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I lived in Tennessee for a few years. I've never been greeted so many times with "do you speak English?" Sometimes I'd just be like "nah!" And walk away.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

no hablo ingles, pendejo

[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I really hate that racists have ruined a perfectly good question. I often want to actually ask people where in the US they're from, but I can't ask the straightforward "where are you from?" if the person isn't white because I know it can easily be interpreted as the racist version.

Instead I now ask "are you from [city we're in]?" to try to make it clear I'm assuming they're from the US.

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[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

My grandmother on my mother's side was Chinese-American. She and my grandfather met in Hawaii during WW2, and that's where my mom was raised, so we observed a lot of Hawaiian and Chinese traditions when I was growing up.

My grandfather on my father's side was raised Jewish by Romanian immigrants, but converted to Christianity, and my father eventually became an atheist. But we still occasionally celebrated certain Jewish holidays to honor his ancestors. My dad's mother was the child of German immigrants. She taught me to make some delicious German treats.

For my part, I pass completely as white (I'm a super pale ginger). But I'm proud of all my heritage, and my whole life I've hated questions on forms that ask me to pick one. If there's an "other" option or a "prefer not to answer" option, that's what I pick.

Ancestry isn't a box you check, it's a story you tell.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Me: Tennessee? Really? I'd have guessed Arkansas.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I always take the opportunity to mess with people who ask me that question.

Where are you from? - (a city in the US).
Where did you move from. - (an other city in the US).
Where where you born. - (a city in Europe).
Uhhh.... So uh.... I mean.... What's the... <starts sweating about a politely way to say, "the not-white part">

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"where are you from?"
"Tennessee"
"No, I meant what country you originaly come from"

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

A conversation like that was front page news not so long ago.

"No, what part of Africa are you from?"

"I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records"

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

yep. i've had that conversation almost verbatim

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yup I'm a quarter white, and watching my racist school system sit me down and tell me I couldn't put white on my SAT survey was eye opening. They were so concerned that they needed to see pictures of my parents and have written proof of my heritage.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm Italian and just the thought of an official form asking for your race looks completely crazy and fucked up. Also, it would be completely illegal here.

Why are the US so f-cked up?

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

The US has a very complicated history with race. And demographic data is important in the right hands to resolve issues our history created, but in the wrong hands...

[–] Animated_beans@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I was so hoping you were going to say that they discouraged you from putting white so that it opened you up for diversity-based scholarships. I am so disappointed to hear that was not the case. What they did is really messed up.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why is this hard for people to understand‽

Like I’m white as the first 41 presidents, but it’s always just seemed fucking obvious that mixed race and mixed ethnicity people are just simultaneously both.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even for white people - haven't you ever heard someone say something like, "I'm German and Irish on my mother's side"?

The idea of having two different heritages is completely common and obvious. It's not that Trump or other Republicans are having trouble wrapping their heads around the concept. It's a racist attack, plain and simple.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm still confused as to who they are trying to convince that Harris isn't really black. Whose vote would change from Harris to Trump based on Trump claiming she isn't really black? Or, if he's not after votes, what will believing she's not really black change for how his own followers see things if he loses?

Or does he think he's out of the water as far as his legal troubles go and maybe he's just trying to exit gracefully without making his base turn on him by making it look like he's still fighting?

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump was making modest gains with black voters, who have since surged in support for Harris. His message was as simple as "She's not really one of you" because he's upset he's losing support.

Trump is butthurt anytime someone doesn't like him - any individual, any constituency. It's just the same narcissism he always shows.

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[–] redisdead@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

You have the ability to form thoughts, this puts you about above 90% of the average conservative fan base.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, the experience of being mixed race is a bit more complicated than that.

There are several groups that see me as a potential member but it's usually qualified with an implied "half-member". There's really no group that looks at me and instinctively says, "One of us."

It’s also fun being with one group, and that one group is racist against the other group.

And then going to the other group and that other group is racist to the first one.

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[–] Yambu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you vote for Trump as a POC you're not the brightest bulb anyway. He's openly racist lol

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But what if you're a POC and a billionaire who believes Trump will make you wealthier?

At least my parents won't vote republican because of homophobia. They're convinced dems will take all their money to give to immigrants and black people and force them to use paper straws...

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

In all fairness, paper straws are the worst

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

This is exactly the kind of thing intersectionality provides. You can attack her for being too black, not black enough, etc and with each attack you're misfiring into the crowd. A minority in this country are black or asian or Kamala's exact racial and gender makeup, but a majority of people belong to one "out" group or another.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Surprised they haven’t started to ask for her birth certificate yet.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In Obama's case, he had an estranged father in Kenya who died in 1982. Kamala's father is a tenured economy professor at Stanford (first black scholar granted tenure at Stanford too) and very much still alive at 85.

Kind of hard to sow doubts about her birth, when her father is not only living in the US, but also as an authority figure.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are assuming that the birthers use logic. If that was the case, they would not have cared where Obama was born because his mother was an American born in Kansas. That would make him American even if he was born in Kenya or Canada (like Ted Cruz).

[–] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

I hear your point, and you're not wrong that certain birthers just won't listen. Obama had neither of the people involved in this birth, his parents, around to speak about the conditions of his birth. Harris, though, will have people able to say, "No, I was there, I remember how it happened" in her corner.

[–] match@pawb.social 13 points 1 month ago

i hope they do and kamala responds with the epstein flight logs with trump on em

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

They’re planning on attacking birthright citizenship anyway, so it matters less. The angle is going to be that both of her parents were immigrants.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Basket of deplorables was such a perfect description

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I can’t believe we’re not over all this trivial shit.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is what happens when our leaders are a decade plus over retirement age.

People forget Bill and Obama were in their 40s, for some reason we just forgot we could run younger candidates

Kamala really should be the upper age range we look at for first term presidents. If everything goes well they're signing up for an 8 year commitment.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I can’t believe we’re not over all this trivial shit.

Maybe one day Dr.King's dream will come true.

I'm increasingly annoyed that it won't be during my lifetime, though.

Hopefully my kids will live long enough to see it happen.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

To the mixed race or non-white people in this thread, just start asking white people where they’re from. Heck, if someone asks you where you’re from, it’s only polite to return the curiosity

Edit: if they say US born and raised, then ask but where are your ancestors from?

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