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[–] barttier@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...of them.

I said the last sentence two times for emphasis.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That doubling rate is worrying

[–] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From Wikipedia for the people like me that are curious

A Nice link to the Wiki Page

Gleason devised the Wug Test as part of her earliest research (1958), which used nonsense words to gauge children's acquisition of morphological rules‍—‌for example, the "default" rule that most English plurals are formed by adding an /s/, /z/, or /ɪz/ sound depending on the final consonant, e.g. hat–hats, eye–eyes, witch–witches. A child is shown simple pictures of a fanciful creature or activity, with a nonsense name, and prompted to complete a statement about it:

This is a WUG. Now there is another one. There are two of them. There are two ________. Each "target" word was a made-up (but plausible-sounding) pseudoword, so that the child cannot have heard it before. A child who knows that the plural of witch is witches may have heard and memorized that pair, but a child responding that the plural of wug (which the child presumably has never heard) is wugs (/wʌgz/, using the /z/ allomorph since "wug" ends in a voiced consonant) has apparently inferred (perhaps unconsciously) the basic rule for forming plurals.

[–] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[–] JohnSaveourSocks@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sat here, for like 5 minutes, saying wugs out loud trying to figure out the joke before I clicked through to the comments and saw this lol

You silly goose! The plural or wug is wagon.

[–] MisterChief@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you, I was confused.

I immediately went to "now there are two wug wugs".

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Und jetzt machen sie ein kleines Wügchen

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Why nobody says wugs?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There are two wug

Because wug are like moose.

Unless it's weg, like goose and geese.

Also, I'm kinda cheating because I've seen this before. The first time I saw it, I said wugs, which is exactly the point of the test.

If you ever get a chance, take a look at the other parts of the test. There's multiple places where the kind of exceptions I used above would be available, but (and this is part of the point) the age of person the test was meant for wouldn't have been exposed to those exceptions yet. And those exceptions are exceptions, which even adults don't always think of when faced with this kind of thing. Like I said, my first thought when I initially saw this back in the day was "wugs", not any of the exceptions you'd think of given time. And I play word games where that kind of thing matters.

[–] virku@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I like to think that my English is quite good, but this one threw me off. Am I supposed to understand from the name wug that the plural of wug is not wugs?

Edit: if plural of wug is wug, then why isn't plural of rug rug, but rugs? Or am I mistaken there as well?

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a nonsense word, there's no right or wrong plural for it, most will say wugs, just like you did and that's the entire point of this test.

[–] virku@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh I see. Thanks!

Love your user name by the way. I should have thought to grab a reference like that while the user count is low.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly what the guy with two heads said :)

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[–] offbyone 3 points 1 year ago

Given this link, the expected response is 'wugs'.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's one of the interesting things about language. It's all just sounds that we agree represent ideas.

But, because language use is such an intrinsic part of our brains, the rules around language are picked up much faster than we realize. This test is generally done with very young children that haven't had much (if any) grammat traint. They just pick you that adding s to the end of a noun means that there are multiple of if. They'll use that rule even when the noun is nonsense.

But that rule is arbitrary to an extent. We could collectively agree that adding k at the end means plural. It doesn't even have to be at the end, it could be anywhere in the word.

Some words don't follow the normal rules. Like mouse, and mice when talking about the animals. Or the exceptions I mentioned earlier.

If we apply those exceptions to a nonsense noun like wug, it is no more or less "right" than adding s. But the test is about showing how language develops, not how a given language functions.

English is an odd language sometimes though. We borrow words from other languages, sometimes adopting the grammar and rules, sometimes not. But English is built on multiple older languages to begin with, so the rules it has can be mind boggling.

[–] Kierro@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I also wanted to add another aspect to this test:
The difference between wug-s (voiced fricative, sounds like z) and wug-s (unvoiced, sounds like s).

As an example:
Dogs (dog/z/)
Cats (cat/s/)

The same pluralization rule is applied to both words, but the actual sounds made are different depending on the voicing of the previous sound/letter. You can feel the 'voicing' (vibration) of different sounds by putting your hand on your throat while saying these words.

Also fun fact I have a tattoo of a wug :)

[–] virku@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Norwegian is also borrowing a lot of words from other languages like that. Lots of our words are in English as well. Our grammar is similar that way that we have differences in the ending structure for some of those borrowed words, but I only think we do that for verbs.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a dog with QUIRKS on him. He is all covered in QUIRKS. What kind of a dog is he? He is a QUIRKSOME dog.

A man who 'zibs' is a ZIBSTER.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago
[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wuggles.
Done, what do I win?

[–] JohnSaveourSocks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much is that in schmeckles?

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

It's wug, but you pronounce it like weeg.

[–] SamB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

There are two weg.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] JohnSaveourSocks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] WhatASave@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

A Quirk Dog!

[–] noproblemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Quirk infested

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

This is getting out of hand

[–] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wugerfuckers

[–] Kinten@feddit.nu 2 points 1 year ago

Clearly it's wugi

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

Wags, there are two wags

[–] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

badly drawn birds

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago
[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Wander@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago