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The government of Cuba declares itself in a ‘war-time economy’ (english.elpais.com)

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lift the inhumane sanctions/embargo on Cuba already.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I might have supported that before their support of the Kremlin's barbaric land grab in Ukraine.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They need to trade with people for money and food. If their closest neighbor let them trade, I guarantee Cuba would be saying the opposite to stay on the good side of them. But since they can't, and Russia was iced out of the world economy pretty much, of course they'd extend a hand to Cuba, which is similarly iced out. And of course they'd accept for the good of their people. Who knows if they actually care how that war goes, they're just a tiny island nation that wants to be able to eat and survive. We can't blame them for making decisions under this kind of duress.

[+] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee -8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They can trade with other countries.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/15/fact-check-us-cuba-embargo-doesnt-apply-all-countries-companies/7954883002/

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/19/facebook-posts/cuba-can-trade-other-countries-heres-some-context

When Cubans took to the streets to protest recently, it wasn't against the US, it was against their own government.

As usual, the Kremlin is allying itself with shitty dictators.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Even your own article shows how bad faith that argument is, but it's from the US so it makes sense. The US media loves their propaganda. It points out that US laws makes it impossible for a ship to dock at the US for 180 days after docking at Cuba. They regularly fine and sanction foreign countries and foreign companies when dealing with Cubans. A ton of banks have stopped dealing with Cuba because of this. They also prevent US used goods from being traded to Cuba when it is a part of a bigger thing, so if any part of a foreign made product has something from the US, it can't be traded over. This ends up including tons of medical equipment, farming equipment, scientific equipment, etc. There's a bunch of other laws, too. Family members can't even wire over remittances any more without paying tons of money.

Of course they can't force other companies but they make it nearly impossible for companies to trade with the US and Cuba if they want to make a profit. Especially considering the power of the dollar in the US market. That's what makes it a blockade. Saying a bunch of these facts while giving a "false" is extremely bad faith. It's like saying Trump didn't cause January 6th because he didn't tell people directly to riot. It's a very surface reading.

The Cuban government of course isn't perfect, but that doesn't detract from the power the US has on them. Plus, when the Republicans went to protest on January 6th it was against their own government, but that doesn't mean they had a point. Most of the protests were from power failures, long food and medicine lines, and Covid lock downs, which is partly the government's fault and partly the US's for making them a poor country and restricting their ability to get medicine and make food through the sanctions I mentioned above. And partly just Covid's fault, every country dealt with that. But the President went out and talked with them, and the country ended up making some economic reforms recently. That's more than I've seen the US ever do in response to protests lol. If we really want to know if the Cuban government is so terrible, you should support the US lifting the embargo so the government can ruin itself. It obviously hasn't destroyed the government over the last 60 years anyway.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago

Even your own article shows how bad faith that argument is

Which article? I posted 2.

but it's from the US so it makes sense. The US media loves their propaganda.

Ohh yeah, amerikkka bad good point

[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

By the same logic the entire planet should’ve already sanctioned and embargoed Israel (for what it's doing in Palestine) and the US for doing the exact same thing as Russia but in Iraq (starting an illegal war) but I don’t see that happening.

Cuba is saying these things because Russia is one of the few countries still willing to trade with them. They’ve been hit by crippling sanctions for decades for doing nothing wrong and they’re trying to find ways to survive. End the embargo and you’ll see that change quite quickly.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Who du they think they are at war with?

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Anyone else read this in Cherdenko's voice lol?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well, they have been under US sanctions for a long time now. That's what started the Pacific side of WWII.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Mmm… sort of, but that telling of the situation also skips over a ton of context.

US sanctions against Imperial Japan were the proximate casus belli for the IJN attack Pearl Harbor and causing the US to actually join the war, but the sanctions were absolutely precipitated by other things Japan was doing in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor. The trade sanctions were enacted in more or less direct response to Imperial Japanese military adventurism and rather flagrant violations of the Washington Naval Treaty (though it is definitely fair to say that the force limitations imposed by the treaty were somewhat onerous and biased towards established powers, if considered in a geopolitical vacuum).

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The effects of the Communist revolution and the US response to it were so powerful that they went back in time by 20 years to start WW2?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I've read this like five times and I have no idea what the heck you're trying to get at.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The person said Cuba being under US sanctions is what caused the Pacific side of WWII. What they were TRYING to say is that Cuba has been under sanctions, and that OTHER, unrelated sanctions were the cause of the Pacific side of WWII; but they used indefinite pronouns and therefor had a confusing sentence.

The joke is about the unintended interpretation of the sentence.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

Ah. So the joke is he's bad at reading.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Maynarkh said that Cuba has been under US sanctions, and also that US sanctions started the Japan-US conflict during WWII. Gravitas has misinterpreted it, intentionally or not, for it to mean that US sanctions on Cuba started the Japan-US war.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The user he responded to said the sanctions affected WW2 when the sanction happened much later.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Sanctions on Japan. That was extremely obvious in context. I thought they had a point beyond being unable to read.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

back in time by 20 years to start WW2

Boy here is posting from all the way back in 1959….

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yes.

[–] Slayan@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-06-16/carmelo-mesa-lago-todays-cuba-is-a-catastrophe.html#?rel=mas

Why ask yourself whose fault is it when someone already answered.

[–] Jakdracula@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I took this picture in Havana. I quite liked Cuba and its people and culture.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

great pic! I would like to visit Cuba, but I haven't figured out how to travel there comfortably without access to my American bank account.