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Prieto was a vendor at gun shows in Prescott and would trade firearms from his personal collection, using only cash deals or trades to evade the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, the affidavit says, adding that this was corroborated through monitoring with the help of the source.
Maybe we should actually regulate gun shows...
Maybe we should actually regulate gun shows....
Pftt. Yeah sure.
Then how will the criminals and lunatics get weapons easily that live in blue states with strict gun laws?
Nobody ever thinks about the lunatics.
This would limit the spreading of white supremacy more than I think most would expect, the online side is a tougher nut to crack but gun shows are the wild fucking west, I attended some with friends who’s parents went when I was a kid and some wild shit flies
I find it interesting that guys like this who want to start a race war always think that this is the thing that's going to do it. Like we've made it through all the other hate crimes, injustices and large scale protests without erupting into a race war, but one more incident will do the trick.
Also interesting is how closely his plan is tied to the election. He isn't just trying to send a message before the election, he specifically thinks that his side needs a specific outcome in the election for his plan to succeed. This plan seems to be a direct consequence of current political environment and the messages coming from his preferred candidate and his supporters.
Now the article doesn't actually say which candidate needs to win in order to embolden violent white supremacists. But if you need 2 guesses, you should probably consider going back into the coma you've been in for the past decade, you're not going to like the future.
He's clearly insane, but you're right, it's still interesting how his "logic" works.
It's scary that these psychos think violence is the answer to their perceived problems. There's a line from The Boys that talks about this, I'm paraphrasing: they would rather see themselves as warriors against "secret forces of evil" than the lonely forgettable losers they are.
It's even more frightening to me that they live in some fantasy world where they think they can win a race war. Nobody here would win that. We'd all lose, and some other hostile nation would take full advantage of our domestic self-destruction. I'm worried it's not a fringe notion. I'm worried a significant percentage are deluding themselves along these lines of violent planning.
As corny as it sounds...United We Stand, Divided We Fall...is still true.
The right wing fantasy that you can murder your way to a just and harmonious society
they would rather see themselves as warriors against "secret forces of evil" than the lonely forgettable losers they are.
Tried to find the quote or the episode, but couldn’t. That’s a good line, nonetheless.
S04E02, ~33min into episode. Conversation between Firecracker and Sister Sage.
Firecracker:
Purpose. I sell purpose. These people got nothing. Maybe they lost a job or a house or a kid to Oxy. Politicians don't give a shit, mainstream media tells them to be ashamed of their skin color, so, well, I bring 'em together, tell them a story, give them a purpose. Which would you rather believe? That you belong to a community of warriors battling a secret evil, or that you're a lonely, inconsequential nobody that no one will ever remember?
Didn’t realize it’s the new episodes, can’t fall behind even a couple days lol.
It’s always a self report with these people. They would do a race war at the drop of a hat, so naturally the people they look down on (and ironically characterize as more violent) must be just as ready to do the same.
Narcissism and psychopathy are associated with conservative political orientations and political extremism, so it's no surprise that a reich-wing lunatic believes he'll be the one to finally cause a race war by murdering minorities. Conservatives often have overinflated ideas of their own importance, and this dude was no different.
sources
In the present research (N = 675), we focus on the relationship between the dark side of human personality and political orientation and extremism, respectively, in the course of a presidential election where the two candidates represent either left-wing or right-wing political policies. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism were associated with right-wing political orientation, whereas narcissism and psychopathy were associated with political extremism. Moreover, the relationships between personality and right-wing political orientation and extremism, respectively, were relatively independent from each other.
We found eleven significant correlations between conservative [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad – [narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy,] all at significance level of p<.00001 – and no significant correlations between liberal [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad. We believe that these results raise provocative moral questions about the personality bases of moral judgments. In particular, we propose that because the Short-D3 measures three “dark and antisocial” personality traits, our results raise some prima facie worries about the moral justification of some conservative moral judgments
They're basing that mindset on white supremacist fiction like the Turner diaries. William Luther Pierce should've been shot instead of being allowed to die at an old age from kidney disease in a trailer park.
According to the affidavit, Prieto said: “The reason I say Atlanta. Why, why is Georgia such a f------up state now? When I was a kid that was one of the most conservative states in the country. Why is it not now? Because as the crime got worse in L.A., St. Louis, and all these other cities, all the [N-words] moved out of those [places] and moved to Atlanta. That’s why it isn’t so great anymore. And they’ve been there for a couple, several years.”
Yes, black people have only been around in significant numbers in Atlanta for a couple years.
Certified stable genius.
Honestly laughable to me that racial supremacists or similar extremists expect some sort of self-segregating army to form and win. It's never gonna work like that. They're just going to get stomped out by the majority who can work together, for very obvious reasons.
They can't organize because they hate each other just as much as they hate anyone else. They all have opinions on the way things should be, but no no two of them can decide what those things are. It would just descend into a bunch of factions all fighting each other until everyone else gets sick of them and just drops a bomb on them.
They seem to think that their AKs are going to have any effect against a modern military. They wouldn't even be presented with a target.
They seem to think that their AKs are going to have any effect against a modern military.
They think if they stand up with a bunch of AKs, the modern military will defect to their side.
But US military propaganda is it's own thing. It's like assuming Yankees and Red Sox fans will both root for you because we all like baseball together.
They seem to think that their AKs are going to have any effect against a modern military.
Worked pretty well in Afghanistan
The highway system in america was built by Eisenhower after he came back from Europe because he saw how awesome the Autobahn was for moving tanks across the country. That's why they're raised like that, to support heavy tanks and artillery.
American military can project force within the United States in a way that it couldn't within Afghanistan.
The delusion that you will be the spark of great change is very real in some people. I bet it didn't occur to George Floyd.
It's a theory that keeps circulating in right wing circles. If you just commit a big enough massacre of minoroties, you'll get another BLM. And then you can unload the cops on all the brown people by claiming they're Antifa Radical Terrorists.
Not unlike what's happening in Palestine right now. Use any mass movement of opposition to violence as the bloody shirt that justifies genocide.
And if they think the only reason black people haven't killed a bunch of white people as part of a race war because they just haven't really had a convenient excuse for it, they haven't really been paying attention to history.
I literally don't know a single person who would join some Aryan army. All the white people I know would absolutely like up to smash the fash.
Prieto was a vendor at gun shows in Prescott and would trade firearms from his personal collection, using only cash deals or trades to evade the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, the affidavit says, adding that this was corroborated through monitoring with the help of the source.
Likely if he didn't do this, payed taxes on his transactions, he might have not ever been on the radar by investigators to get caught in the first place.
We all got lucky this dude is a dipshit loser and got sloppy. There are more organized pieces of shit out there planning better and not even show up as a blip to the cops.
Liberal gun owner here. I go to gun shows. I avoid the creepy ones.
I frequently get downvoted for telling people it's not that hard to buy a gun without a paper trail, if you're willing.
You just gotta love that a guy is so dumb that with the last name "Prieto" he wants to start a race war...
I don't even think he knows the meaning of his surname lol but it does make it more ironic
Ironic last name for someone trying to start a race war.
Very Very ironic
The meaning of Prieto - Spanish: nickname for a dark-haired or dark-skinned man, from Old Spanish prieto ‘dark, black’.
Aaaaaaand... the word "terrorist" doesn't appear once in that article.
I guess NBC didn't think him brown enough.
Homie went full on tv idiot and told them the whole plan
I take that back, if we saw someone on tv do this we would complain about it being unrealistic.
This timeline is fucking crazy
If he wants to fight that bad the gov't should send him elsewhere. I mean there are enough wars/conflicts in the world he could battle in instead of starting one in the US.
I hear Russia is always in need of more ~~fodder~~ troops lately.
But these people are ALWAYS cowards so they won't ever fight where there's a chance their victims would fight back.
Yeah, but that's less fun.
Can he just go away for a very long time? And never have access to guns? That would be good, too.
The only race war I'm interested in is one involving that BRZ in the background
Stay fuckin trashy Yavapai. I wish people like this were less common there and over in Mohave county (Would recommend looking up "Kingman Mosque" for a really great Sacha Baron Cohen bit). The desert, like desert desert, not Phoenix desert, drives people insane. The sun baked their brains.
-Coconino Resident