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A new South Dakota policy to stop the use of gender pronouns by public university faculty and staff in official correspondence is also keeping Native American employees from listing their tribal affiliations in a state with a long and violent history of conflict with tribes.

Two University of South Dakota faculty members, Megan Red Shirt-Shaw and her husband, John Little, have long included their gender pronouns and tribal affiliations in their work email signature blocks. But both received written warnings from the university in March that doing so violated a policy adopted in December by the South Dakota Board of Regents.

“I was told that I had 5 days to remove my tribal affiliation and pronouns,” Little said in an email to The Associated Press. “I believe the exact wording was that I had ‘5 days to correct the behavior.’ If my tribal affiliation and pronouns were not removed after the 5 days, then administrators would meet and make a decision whether I would be suspended (with or without pay) and/or immediately terminated.”

The policy is billed by the board as a simple branding and communications policy. It came only months after Republican Gov. Kristi Noem sent a letter to the regents that railed against “liberal ideologies” on college campuses and called for the board to ban drag shows on campus and “remove all references to preferred pronouns in school materials,” among other things.

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[–] bradv@lemmy.ca 395 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The party of small government is now regulating your email signatures.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 159 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Noem says shut up and work or she’ll shoot your dog

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

🐕🔫👩‍👧

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

If you keep your dog on a reserve she can’t get to it.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 186 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That sounds like a clear first amendment violation to me. It’s not like a political affiliation either, gender and ethnic background are core to identity

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The first amendment doesnt apply to governmental communications.

Its the reason that things are able to be censored in public schools.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The reason things can be censored in schools is because of the "bong hits 4 Jesus" case that went to the Supreme Court who said the school taking it down didn't violate their freedom of speeech because "it could reasonably seen as promoting drug use at a school event".

Fucking stupid case because if I recall it was at a parade for the Olympic torch coming through their town (doesn't sound like a school event to me) and was not on school property.

Just a kid who happened to go to school being harassed, outside of school, by a principal at a public parade in their town, for holding a silly sign.

So what is there a caveat to 1A that says, "Congress can make no law [...] unless that speech or expression may reasonably be seen as promoting drug use"?

What a bullshit country run by octogenarian Christians who just won't leave people the fuck alone.

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 97 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Hey we have some pretty serious and urgent problems that need sorting out, shall we get to work?"

"Nah, let's fuck around with pronouns in emails."

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 31 points 5 months ago

"We're here to create problems, not solve them!"

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 76 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Whoever told you that is your enemy

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[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 73 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Just in case anyone is wondering what all the pronouns are. Here is a list of the standard, non standard, informal, and archaic pronouns in the English language

And it at least implied that you couldn't use any of these words at all in an email. So simple phrases like; can you do this or I am able to do that. Would be out.

Personally I think we should just start using the archaic forms just to confuse people.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Personally I think we should just start using the archaic forms just to confuse people.

If I get to compose emails like I'm Frog from Chrono Trigger, I am all about it.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thou shouldst do as thou pleases.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago
  • Hop around
  • Call everybody "thou"
  • Wield a cool sword
  • Probably nail Queen Leene

Yeah, methinkest I art down.

[–] lemmydripzdotz456@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is usually a good point. However, from my reading of just the snippet and some quotes others posted (and without reading the article myself because I am lazy), it may be that they are prohobiting the inclusion of preferred pronouns. If that's accurate, then it means they are refining their bigotry to be more precise.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Oh that is absolutely the intention, but who doesn't like logical extreme

I actually looked up the standard and it is worded in a way that doesn't explicitly prohibit any specific thing. It just gives a list of things that can be included and says anything else is prohibited. That way they are not discriminating. They are just creating a formatting standard.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

This opens the door for malicious compilance, one can report Bible quotes with pronouns and similar as bad.

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[–] rez_doggie@lemmy.world 67 points 5 months ago

Nazis love erasing peoples identity

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 66 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if that would be considered discrimination based on race and sex.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (17 children)

No, because it doesn't impact the old, white cis-males. They're just mad because their pronouns are "fucking" and "awful."

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[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I'd comply and remove that info from the signature. I'd just start every email with:

Hello,

Thanks for reading my email. In case we're not already familiar, my pronouns are he/him and I'm affiliated with...

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 81 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

nah just remove all pronouns

Smith,

Name Emma Jones and sophomore Thursday General Physics Class. Writing because in class yesterday mentioned having open positions research lab. found summary of project very interesting, would like learn and talk joining lab. Time in weeks could meet?

Thank time and look forward hearing soon

Best regards,

Emma

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love this. It screams "Why use lot word when few word do trick."

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Yeah no pronouns in emails ever again. That's way more fun lol

[–] bobzilla@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Just replace the pronouns.

"Hi. Steve was wondering if Steve could go ahead and start Steve's next project since Steve's current project is now in review? Steve would be working with Kevin on Steve's next project and Steve knows that Kevin is wrapping up Kevin's project this week so Steve and Kevin could start next week"

Doesn't that sound so much more professional? 🙄

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 5 months ago

I think I would go with something like this:

I am female but university policy forbids me to tell you my pronouns. I have a Native American ancestry but university policy forbids me to tell you if I have a tribal affiliation.

Probably in extra-large bold text.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“I was told that I had 5 days to remove my tribal affiliation and pronouns,” Little said in an email to The Associated Press. “I believe the exact wording was that I had ‘5 days to correct the behavior.’

"Correct the behavior" just means setting the style to bold and increasing the font size, though.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We call it doin' a John Hancock!

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[–] DrummXYBA@sh.itjust.works 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Surely it should be a choice.

[–] Heartwotalk@lemmynsfw.com 55 points 5 months ago

Republicans really aren't fans of letting people make their own choices. You could even say that they aren't pro-choice.

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 36 points 5 months ago

I think the "everyone anyone your pronouns" thing in email, slack, whatever is dumb. But if I lived in SD, I'd start doing it right about now.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (5 children)

So what do people call each other now? Fuckwit/fuckedwit?

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Those are gender pronouns with extra steps. \s

The tittle butchers the fact. They are not forbidden the use of pronouns, but to list their preferred ones (i.e, Dr Fuckwit (she/her).

When something is this stupid (university banning the preferred pronoums) , why not display it in all it's stupid glory?

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 26 points 5 months ago

Republicans sure love small government /s

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 24 points 5 months ago

I'm failing and firing everyone on campus who doesn't immediately start reporting EVERY use of EVERY pronoun in EVERY email.

Swamp those mother fuckers .

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 23 points 5 months ago

A new day, another reason to hate conservatives and their authoritarianism.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

pathetic I can't believe this is a real group of real human beings

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well that sounds legal as fuck (no it doesn't)

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[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 12 points 5 months ago

There are no pronouns in symbols ♂, ♀

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