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New York appeals court overturns Harvey Weinstein’s 2020 rape conviction from landmark #MeToo trial (apnews.com)
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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 197 points 6 months ago (5 children)

For those of you who are wondering why Trump seems to get so much leeway, this is why. The prosecutors and judge have to be perfect in their process and their treatment of the defendant, otherwise a conviction can be thrown out like this.

And for those of you complaining about the two-tier justice system, you're 100% correct. Because if someone without the resources of Weinstein or Trump were in a similar situation, they probably wouldn't be able to appeal at all.

At least in Weinstein's case , he won't be released right away, since California has also convicted him. And this is, ironically, a good thing for Trump, also, because he now has something to talk about that won't run afoul of the gag order.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Everyone needs to read and re-read this comment. This is precisely what is going on with Trump.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Trump has gotten leeway bcz he's a former president. If he was just a real estate developer/business person amd had these same criminal proceedings against him, he be in prison already. There are plenty of examples of people sharing state secrets, and working for/with foreign governments as agents on their behalf and they've ended up in prison with life sentences pretty damn quick.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let's also be very clear that the court is made up of (usually white men) people. There are plenty of appeals cases where the court goes to great lengths to keep someone in prison even when the law is 100% on the side of the wrongfully convicted.

I have read a state supreme court say "yes that is the law (to exonerate them) but still we're going to find it's ok (to keep them locked up)". Like, that was almost verbatim the opinion delivered. Can they do that? Well - yeah. Sure the appellant could try for the SCOTUS but #1 they had no money and #2 they'd lose there too, now.

That is one of the other reasons the criminal clown has gotten away with so much for so long.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In the SCOTUS case you are mentioning, they decided that actual innocence didn't matter as long as the proper procedures were followed all along the way.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It kinda does matter though. If you are innocent of a crime, and you can prove it, then you should be released from prison immediately, and paid out the ass for the amount of time and life experiences stolen from you, full stop, period.

If that doesn't bother you then you need to go take a look in the mirror and think long and hard about what it is that's making you a crappy human being.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You’ll have to explain how mentioning the reasoning of the court makes me a bad person. It’s almost as if you acting in bad faith, don’t know what you are talking about, and are stuck in edgy mode.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How am I acting in bad faith? If someone is innocent (and I'm not familiar with this court case for the record), and the Supreme Court decided the fact that they are innocent is immaterial to the case, that should be riot level shit.

They are basically saying if we mistakenly arrest you and put you in prison for something you didn't do, we can just say oopsie and keep you there as long as we followed proper procedures. That is super fucked up.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yes but you said that I was a bad person for reporting this information.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I mean it's not like Trump ever pays his bills anyway, but still, it's the principle of the thing.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Eh...

The reason is because NY voters are so progressive, the wealthy throw insane money at statewide primaries.

This is the person that appointed the head of the appealate court.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Hochul

An "independent Democrat" that was Cuomo's running mate and won the election after he was kicked out.

The voters didn't want her, but because it's NY she still beat the Republican, but it was the closest governor race in 30 years for NY.

Neoliberals want to keep the current pro-wealrhy system just as much as republicans, because they have the same donors.

[–] ElmerFudd@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tell us you don't know what "neoliberal" means without telling us.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"fiscally conservative, socially liberal".

Meaning they want minorities to sit down and shut up, which is more liberal than Republicans. But they still want the oligicarhial society where money gets you everything like Republicans.

It's not what people want, but the rich bought both major parties, so we don't get a choice the vast majority of the time.

[–] ElmerFudd@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Neoliberal economic policies have nothing to do with liberal social policies. They are as linked as the German Nationalist Socialist Party was to socialist economic policies. Whenever these two words come up, someone invariably links the two as though they are spiritual cousins, and I don't like that. It should be very clearly stated each time these words are conflated, or compared, that neoliberalism ~~liberal~~, and that people who would describe themselves as liberal are entirely against neoliberal economic policies, which are largely carried out by corrupted politicians on both sides of the political aisle. Lest we mince words; neoliberals are at the opposite end of the political spectrum to liberals.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So you were asking just about the economic policy when I was talking about neoliberal politicians?

Sounds like you just got confused bro

[–] ElmerFudd@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, you're confused, bro. ‘Liberal’ is both a political identifier people use for themselves and others, and a series of policies and political ideals. Neoliberalism is a series of economic policies practiced by conservatives, regardless of the (D) or (R) next to their names. If we were going to describe someone as a neoliberal, which people generally do not, the person being described would be almost the exact opposite of someone who would be described as liberal. The thing you said about being fiscally one way and socially another isn't the definition of neoliberalism, that's just an old line people say when they're ashamed of being conservative and don't want to come off dumb.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Neoliberalism

Yeah. But we were talking about neoliberals....

Specifically modern day American ones...

Like, when someone mentions Democrats, do you go on a rant about what democracy is?

When we talk about republicans, do you talk about republics?

If someone mentions a green party candidate, do you tell them it's just blue and yello mixed together?

they’re ashamed of being conservative and don’t want to come off dumb.

Yeah, neoliberals say it all the time. Not in the exact words, but that's their stance. It's what I said in the beginning...

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 49 points 6 months ago (2 children)

the trial judge improperly allowed women to testify about allegations against the ex-movie mogul that weren’t part of the case.

Well, yeah, that's a pretty major problem. If they're bringing in allegations that aren't part of the case how is the defendant supposed to defend himself against that?

Everyone getting angry about this as a miscarriage of justice, I agree, but direct that anger at the judge and prosecutors who screwed it up so badly. Echoes of Cosby getting off due to a prosecutor making a stupid deal, or OJ getting off because the police apparently tried to frame a guilty man.

[–] Dexx1s@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

But the judge and prosecutors should know that this would happen right? I'm a tad above a layman but isn't it obvious that this would happen? It's so negligent I'm almost convinced that it was negligence. Or is it that they usually get away with this kind of thing?

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This is correct. I know the tendency on the left lately (and especially on Lemmy) is that the ends always justify the means, but the rule of law is more important. Rights of the accused are crucial to maintaining democracy. If the state fucks up its case or breaks the rules, they need to be held to account even if it means pieces of shit sometimes get away with things. Reference the entire Miranda case the warnings are based on, for example.

I also believe karma is a bitch. OJ got off but he was held civilly liable and he went on to commit other crimes that eventually landed him in prison for a significant chunk of his life. (To that point, karma eventually caught up with Miranda also...)

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah. Lots of people parrot the phrase "better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer," but then as soon as some specific guilty person goes free they go "no, wait, let me amend that..."

It does annoy me that the guilty men going free does tend to skew strongly towards rich guilty men, simply because they can afford to fight it out. But I'd rather everyone get the chance to fight it out rather than remove those opportunities. Maybe if everyone had the opportunity to fight for all their rights the police and prosecutors would start taking more care not to violate them.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As a consequentialist, this changes nothing and therefor is nothing, because he's still convicted in California. I guess a good lesson for future prosecutors.

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

This was definitely not a headline that I expected to see today given everything else that's going on. Fuck.