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Ukraine weapons package ‘ready to go’ once aid bill clears Congress (www.washingtonpost.com)

submitted 7 months ago by breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world

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The Pentagon has a massive infusion of military aid for Ukraine “ready to go,” U.S. officials said, once a long-delayed funding measure, which is expected to pass the House this weekend, clears the Senate next week and President Biden signs it into law.

The Defense Department, which has warned that Ukraine would steadily cede more ground to Russian forces and face staggering casualties without urgent action on Capitol Hill, began assembling the assistance package well before the coming votes in a bid to speed the process, these people said.

One official, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the Biden administration’s planning, said that once the $95 billion foreign aid bill is finalized, it would take less than a week for some of the weapons to reach the battlefield, depending on where they are stored. The legislation includes about $60 billion for Ukraine, with most of the remainder slated for Israel and U.S. partners in Asia.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good, it has been far too long. At least the military is doing their job.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The reason the US military became so effective and renown is less about being a good military organization, and more about being the largest, most efficient logistics company in the world. A logistics company that can deliver millions of tons of munitions to very specific parts of the globe in ridiculously short time frames.

If there's one organization that can move $60 billion worth of equipment in like a week tops, it's the fuckin DoD. That is their job.

[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 months ago

Amatuers discuss tactics. Professionals discuss logistics.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The US on the regular flexes their ‘global airlift’ capability by shuffling tanks and armored vehicles around the globe via air freight, moving entire company’s worth of hardware between continents.

Sensible militaries with actual budgetary concerns use sea freight, accepting the delay.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Well yeah we built this fuckin rad giant plane that you can drive a whole tank into. What are we gonna do, not fly tanks around?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

As the aid bill languished in Congress for months, officials in Washington and in Kyiv said Ukraine’s front-line units were rationing a rapidly evaporating stockpile of armaments and that soon Moscow would have a 10-to-1 advantage in artillery rounds.

Its last aid package, totaling $300 million, was prepared in March after the Pentagon identified “unanticipated cost savings” in recent arms contracts — an outlier after congressionally approved funding dried up last year and an intense political fight followed President Biden’s request for more.

Across the front line, Ukrainian troops are facing such severe ammunition shortages that they are rationing shells, leaving artillery units unable to protect the infantry by striking deeper into Russian-controlled territory to halt Russian advances.

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[+] capem@startrek.website -43 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Why are we sending them equipment when they're going to lose?

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So that they don't lose? Why do you think they are going to lose?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's already Joever. Russia has ramped up production to like 10 times the artillery shells.

Ukraine had a chance at the beginning. But we did not give them good weapons. We stalled for two years and now Russian weapons are being produced in mass quantities.

[–] Apollo42@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree with much you say dude, but I sort of admire how passionately you hate Joe Biden.

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

and for the right reasons

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago

Russia has basically shifted to their old doctrine of using an overwhelming volume of basic artillery shells, which allowed them to capture Avdiivka with losses estimated to be 3 Russian casualties to every Ukrainian. They are maintaining this not with having built new manufacturing capacity, they simply are running their existing factories non-stop with three shifts instead of one. Even like this, they can only manufacture enough shells to keep this volume up for 2-3 more months (maybe the Chinese aid they get helps with that?).

On the other hand, the EU and the US has been building factories for artillery shell manufacturing that will ramp up by the end of this year to March 2025 to the point where they will be making as many 155mm shells as the Russians make 152mm. The Russians will not be able to keep up, for that, they would have had to start building factories months ago, which would be obvious on satellite photos.

On the other hand, Russia is ironically having a problem with artillery guns, with their fleet having gone from 80% self-propelled to 80% towed, which is not a good thing in the age of good counter-artillery. Even worse, old WWII D-10 guns are popping up all too often, with ranges of up to 10km, and abysmal accuracy. These are not good enough to outrange better drones even, and eat more shells to get the same results, taking away from the shell advantage.

Point is, right now it's not even like 1942 against Germany, it's more like 1916, everything is up in the air. Russia's path to victory is to keep this up in the long term, and the only way to do that is to keep Chinese and Iranian imports of shells and drones up, have Trump elected to stop the US from tipping back the balance, and/or get enough people elected in the EU to do it there. If Russia can keep up what they're doing, and keep their current advance up, and replicate Avdiivka all around the front, they might reach Kyiv by summer 2026, Lviv by the end of 2027, maybe.

This is far from over, unfortunately, and a lot of Ukrainians and Russians will die until it ends either way. Russia has some advantage right now, but not enough to break the stalemate, as evidenced by the last 4 months.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

I don't think they are going to lose. But at the very least it's good to negotiate from a position of power. IE a banks going to loan money to someone with a job vs a homeless dude..

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What the others said.

Also because they need equipment not cash. If the US would give them money, Ukraine would still have to get equipment somewhere.

Now the US is clearing out old inventory that is at the end of its shelf life (explosives have a shelf life) and the Ukranians use them to blow up Russian military instead of the US paying a company to dismantle the munitions.

The US charges the Ukranians current book value (low) and reimburses the military from the aid budget. The US military then uses this extra cash to buy new toys.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Welcome back with the new burner o/

[–] Apollo42@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Something a lot of US fascists asked in the first few years of WW2 when it came to arms shipments to Britain!