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Ex-president avoided past ‘shithole countries’ racist invective, but said the US hadn’t gotten enough immigrants from ‘nice countries’

Donald Trump bemoaned a lack of immigrants to the US from “nice” countries “like Denmark [or] Switzerland”, offering millionaire donors at a Florida fundraiser a reprise of infamous racist Oval Office remarks about people coming to America from “shithole countries”.

Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee for president again, despite facing 88 criminal charges and multimillion-dollar civil penalties for tax fraud and defamation, the latter arising from a rape allegation a judge called “substantially true”.

According to the New York Times, which cited an unnamed attendee at the Saturday event in Palm Beach, Trump told his audience: “These are people coming in from prisons and jails. They’re coming in from just unbelievable places and countries, countries that are a disaster.

“And when I said, you know, ‘Why can’t we allow people to come in from nice countries,’ I’m trying to be nice. Nice countries, you know like Denmark, Switzerland? Do we have any people coming in from Denmark? How about Switzerland? How about Norway?”

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 197 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He's complaining that people don't want to leave countries with socialized health care and more protections for workers? Maybe he is coming to the wrong conclusions about that.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 110 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Paying 420€ per month at most for comprehensive healthcare and 49€ per month for regional/urban public transportation nationwide is really a chore.

And additionally, I even have to live with the burden of getting my master's degree almost for free! It's horrible over here! I can barely enjoy my 30 vacation days thinking about the situation!

[–] ours@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And don't you just hate the absurdly low chance of being victim of a violent crime?

If only we figured out if those had any link to the social nets.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Best I can do is an armed wellness check. How many firearms should I tell the police you have?

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[–] pyrate37@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Without the privilege of crushing debt and social unrest? Inconceivable! You poor bastards!

  • Murica
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[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 107 points 7 months ago (4 children)

To them, the US is the shithole country, that's why.

[–] No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My cousin in the Schengen area got breast cancer and went off to get treatment with 80% of her salary. After the first rounds feeling much better asked the social worker to go back and the answer was, not until you get to the last round and get medical clearance.
Try that in the US.
That shit radicalized me.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 14 points 7 months ago

You go to work while getting the treatment and hope you don’t run out of sick days.

Or make industrial quantities of meth.

[–] pyrate37@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

They're not wrong.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm from Australia, not some poncy nordic utopia. I wouldn't describe the US as a shithole country per se, but I sure as shit wouldn't want to move there.

The whole republican thing does make me apoplectic, and admittedly that's pretty much all we see from this far away, but I acknowledge that its probably not a big part of daily life. For example, there's some 4x4 youtube channels I watch and the people just seem like cool normal people who I'd probably like to know in real life, but I'd bet they vote republican anyway.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

During his presidency, it actually was a part of daily life. We all had to endure a constant drumbeat of headlines about horrible things he did or said until you almost stopped caring. It would be like that again if he gets reelected.

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[–] Bimbleby@lemmy.world 92 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As a person from Denmark; I'm fine thanks.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago

I was actually asked by one of my old bosses, an American lady, why I didn't leave the impending doom that is Switzerland.

I guess I prefer my godless wasteland with a highly functional public transportation system and our guns very reasonably regulated (we can actually buy more kinds of guns and more easily that the US).

[–] DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 months ago

Yeah, Denmark and Norway have populations of between 5.5 and 5.9 million. Of that 11 or so million, in 2023, a total of less than 30 thousand citizens decided to leave. And I would be willing to bet that the majority of those leaving went to one of the following countries: Norway, Denmark or Sweden.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 8 points 7 months ago

Ditto from Norway. I'm visiting you tomorrow, though.

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You can't even get a decent kamelåså in the USA.

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 72 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You could double my income, even triple.

....and I still wouldn't risk rising my children in the US.

Not a fucking chance...

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago

Literally, had to make this decision four years ago.

In the end I went to the German branch of the same tech company and only made 1/4 the money I would have in the US.

However, because it was a US company they made me do the "what to do when there's a shooter in the workplace" training course anyway. No regrets about not going.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the same... And I live in Canada, we don't have it as good as Denmark or Switzerland but still....

I honestly only go to the States for short visits I dread, because we have family there.... Otherwise I wouldn't even visit

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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 60 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why on god's green earth would I relocate to a country that treats people like farm animals unless I was fleeing war or drug cartels?

[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Every government treats their people like farm-animals, in my opinion. Some are nicer to their animals than others. "Happy cows make better-tasting milk", and so on.

My country's (the US) government treats us like those industrial hog and cattle farms we have in Nebraska, Louisiana, Texas, etc. I moved to the Netherlands in July of '22; people are treated more like free-range live-stock here, which is an improvement from my condition in the US. I imagine it's not too dissimilar of a relationship throughout greater Scandinavia as well.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Every government treats their people like farm-animals, in my opinion.

Yeah, no. That's not how normal governments work.

My country's (the US)

Yeah, that checks out. No wonder you think like that, then. You've been indoctrinated all your life to believe no better alternative is possible, so that you won't strive for one, and will just keep on accepting the monstrously inhumane society you were born in.

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[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Why would someone go from a "nice" country to the US? People want to improve their situation

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 52 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why the fuck would they want to come here?

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Why would they leave countries with a higher standard of living and universal health care?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country

Iceland 191.10
Denmark 190.60
Finland 188.10
Switzerland 185.80
Oman 184.80
Austria 183.30
Norway 181.80
Spain 177.70
Estonia 176.40
Germany 176.00
Japan 175.50
Sweden 174.80
United Arab Emirates 173.80
United States 173.00

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I live in Spain. I've lived in the US. There is literally no reason to go to the US except to visit of for tourism. Quality of life, and having an excellent health care system, good wather, basically no gun problems (contrary to popular belief, I can own a lot of types of guns, even non-auto assault guns, they are just properly regulated) etc. I'm very employable , and would probably make 2-3 times as much as here, but have no real incentive.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's the thing most Americans cannot grasp... money isn't everything.

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[–] will_a113@lemmy.ml 44 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ironically (to everyone but him) Trump himself is the reason a lot of people from the "good" countries would never consider moving here.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 38 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Thank you for the invitation. Unfortunately I'm busy that day.

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[–] horse@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Could it be that America was the "shithole country" all along? 🤔

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[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

LMFAO, easy answer - because those countries are demonstrably better than the shit hole that is the United States.

God this fuckin turd just doesn't shut up and the rest of us are forced to hear about it. Enough already.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Lmao reminds me of my company. They are headquartered in the US, but have a big office in the UK, and about twice a year someone from the US office comes over to try and recruit us to go over there. And every time no one goes, even though they're offering us almost twice the equivalent salary to go over, between the women, the queers, non-white people, there's not a lot of people left that wouldn't been instantly downgraded the second they stepped off the plane. And out of those left most will care about healthcare or vacation time and uprooting their lives more than a better salary.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention the infara change would feel like such a downgrade.

Imagine moving to Houston or Atlanta and learning the horror that you must travel to work every single day in a car in traffic for 2-3 hours, and any commercial business is going to be more than a mile away from your home.

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[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Uh, on that note, anyone from any nice countries want to get married to an American? Doesn't have to be majority white, but must have healthcare and like, trains? I like trains and going to the doctor.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

despite facing 88 criminal charges

Who here wanna bet that Stephen Miller advised him do a couple more or fewer in order to land at his favorite number?

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

“Send me white chicks, Melanie is 20 years past her expiration date!”

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I remember sth about german students from US colleges having to head back over Visa struggles when Trump was in power

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Most majority white countries have better education, better healthcare, better religious and personal freedom, better personal security, lower crime, and better standards of living than the US.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We have reached the point of straight up, mask-off white supremacy (again...)

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I can't speak for others, but at the moment, even as entertaining as it is, I'd rather watch the US from a safe distance.

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Come to America for Donald Trumps cradle to the grave minimum wage program with zero health care and no retirement.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What I'm hearing is that if an all out war is accepted in Europe, Trump gets white refugees.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Yeah I wonder why Danes aren’t flocking here? Must be the lack of bike lanes on the ocean. Can’t possibly be that other developed stable countries offer higher quality of life

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