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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 81 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The fact that two Rikers existed is all the proof I need to be full Luddite. Save your death machines for the next person, thanks!

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And they treat the one on the planet like he's a copy when he'd logically be the original with the one on the Enterprise being the duplicate.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They are both copies. They explain that the guy operating the transporter was losing him, so he used a second beam to try to compensate. On beam made it through, the other bounced off the st uff in the atmosphere that was causing the problem and rematerialized him on the planet. I'm pretty sure this explanation was in the episode in order to establish that both Rikers are equally real.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Except that that explanation means Tom was made with the original Riker materials and Will was made from matter reserves on the ship using the original Riker as a template.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Both beams were pulling in genuine Will Riker. Presumably they are both a mix of the original material and additional material formed by the transporter. That or the transporter is violating the law of conservation of energy.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ship of Theseus

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think that makes both Rikers equally fake, not real.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Equally fake and equally real are the same thing.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Equally fake and equally real are equal?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Beg to differ.

The Queen gives birth to twin boys. It's a stormy night and the midwife isn't sure which is older. They are equally the 'real' king.

Two counterfeit dollar bills are equally fake.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

If one counterfeit dollar buys a soda, does it matter who's king?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is a semantics argument. The way the person you're talking to means it, two things being equally fake also means that they're equally real, because they are both just as real as the other (that is, not).

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

This one Trinitys