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[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

What is the excuse for mass shootings then?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 34 points 7 months ago

Availability of weapons mixed with infrastructure development that atomizes communities to the point that the only places some people can find any social activity is nihilistic message boards full of psychopaths that actively encourage terroristic attacks on society but in the oblique way that dodges accountability for it when someone actually goes and does it.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  1. Easy access to guns
  2. The rise of easy access fascist media
  3. The dissolution of public institutions

It's simply too easy to grab a gun by anyone. Military grade equipment is available to pretty much anyone with a credit card. Then you combine that with a CONSTANT beating drum from people like Alex Jones talking about how much they want crush, destroy, kill their enemies and how corrupt everything is. Then also talking about how people need to rise up and do "something". While also in the same breath telling people to go off their meds and how any sort of treatment for mental disorders is actually poison. Then pair that with the fact that there's pretty much no public infrastructure around public health (thanks Reagan). That means if you are having some sort of mental break down, depression, whatever, if you can't afford the $100s/$1000s of dollars to get regular psychiatric treatment you are basically just going to be untreated. There is also pretty much no safe place to recoup for someone in distress but not at risk of suicide. But even if there were, even if you could afford it, fascists and preachers know that mentally healthy people are harder to grift so they spend all their time demonizing the very help you'd need.

However, not everyone that does this is mentally unwell. Some are just hateful fascists that believe killing gets their hate filled messages into the world. It's why it is irresponsible for any media outlet to publish the name or manifestos of these assholes. Having notorious killers encourages more notorious killers.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As to that first point, you know we had AR-15s in the 70s, right? (No one gave a shit. They weren't "cool" until the Assault Weapons Ban. Yeah, that didn't work out so well...)

You know guns were far easier to get back then? LOL, I got an old Mossberg 500 (think classic 12-gauge pump) that was branded Revelation. They sold those at Western Auto stores.

It was no thing to see a dude with a loaded gun rack in his pickup. Point being, access is not the thing that changed.

And the rest of your post? On. The. Money.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

As to that first point, you know we had AR-15s in the 70s, right?

The other 2 factors are important along with the internet. There may have been less legal barriers to getting an AR-15, that does not mean accomplishing such a task was easy to do. It's not like there were AR-15 ads on TV or in newspapers (well, there may have been, but that would have been highly regional). It's not like every city had an "AR-15" guy in the yellow pages. Legal access hasn't changed, but general access has (particularly to assault rifles).

Regardless, my advocacy is first just starting with laws I think most everyone can agree with, red flag laws. Take away or don't allow the purchase of guns by a domestic abusers or someone with a history of violence. Heck, you could even put a time limit on that stuff like "within the last 7 years".

A ton of these cases are fairly young men (<20). So it would be enough to say "hey, if you are under 25 and your school teachers say 'Do not let this kid in particular have a gun'" then you don't get a gun until you turn 25. Or even an outright ban on ownership for people less than 25 (though that'd be much less popular).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/971544/number-k-12-school-shootings-us-age-shooter/

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Current gun laws are pretty restricted compared to things that used to be allowed. The big one is mail order guns, you could just send a money order and get pretty much any semi-auto gun you wanted delivered to your house with no background check at all.

Full auto gums required a tax stamp since the 30s, and weren't banned until 86.

Great explanation. All things we can solve, but choose not too.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Weapons availability and the mental health crisis. In countries without easy access to guns, mass killings are conducted with knives or cars (runovers). And in countries with socialized healthcare that includes mental health, mass killings don't happen, at all, or very rarely if ever. Socioeconomic inequality is usually the third element, like in the fire triad, mix the three and you get mass shootings.

[–] endhits@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Shit life syndrome. The difference is they turn their misery outwards instead of committing suicide.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

too many scared assholes who love their guns more than anything else.. highly sensitive momma's boys in love with their guns, always ready to lose their shit..