589
this post was submitted on 17 Jan 2024
589 points (98.0% liked)
News
23259 readers
3474 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Carbs are carbs, sugar is sugar, high glycemic sugars need somewhere to go quickly
I have a relative, a PhD no less (albeit in English), who "only eat natural organic GMO-free" and will absolutely not accept that fruits are sweet because of sugar and count against you like any other sugar
Well, while it is a type of sugar that makes fruits sweet, it in fact does get processed differently in your body. Fructose, among other things, can't be stored in muscles. Your body also doesn't need to provide Insulin to process it.
When comparing something sweetened with Fructose and something sweetened with Saccharose, the sweet from Fructose has less negative health impacts.
Unless I misunderstood what you mean with "count against you" (I am not a native English speaker).
I wouldn't call fatty liver not a negative health impact. In particular Type II diabetes is reversible, a sufficiently fucked-up liver is not.
That's why I did not wrote "a fat liver is not a negative health impact".
I wrote Fructose has less negative health impacts. This means when you count health impacts there are less (= a smaller number) for Fructose.
Are you seriously suggesting "health impact" is a thing measured by "quantity of diagnoses that apply". I have 1000 ingrown hairs, another person has one fatty liver. Which of us is more fucked?
Health impacts.
I feel like you try to derail the conversation and move goal posts to "be right".
Fruits and vegetables contain Fructose, Fructose has a smaller number of negative health impacts than Saccharose and Fructose is metabolized differently in our body than other sugars.
The intravenous administration or other consumption of very high doses of Fructose, often in obese and/or diabetic patients in studies, has been identified as a potential risk factor for fatty liver.
That doesn't mean eating fruits and vegetables increases the risks for a fatty liver. It also doesn't mean Fructose and Saccharose are the same.
Saccharose is half fructose, half glucose. Eat enough of it and the impact on the liver is just as bad as that of fructose which is definitely worse than overeating on more or less pure glucose in the form of, among other things, starch. The body overall is way better at dealing with glucose as pretty much everything that needs energy can use it directly, while fructose first needs to be processed in the liver, which has a much more limited capacity. Ingesting fructose (also in the form of saccarose) makes sure that the liver's glycogen stores are stock-full, which means that weight loss is impossible as that storage gets used up before adipose tissue gets involved.
Dietary consumption of high-fructose corn syrup alone is a risk factor for fatty liver, get out of here with "intravenous" and "very high dose" and "in obese patients". Non-alcoholic fatty liver is a fucking epidemic.
It's not the sugar that's the problem, it's the calories.
It can be both.
Why do you need sugar to take the blame so badly?
It's a lot more nuanced than that.
Sugar = calories.
Calories in vs calories out.
That's how you get the obesity problem that we have now.
That's not the way nutrition works at all. Calories are calories; it doesn't matter whether they come from sugar, fat or protein.
I am interested how someone is supposed to live a healthy life without fruits and vegetables. Sure, you do spare the calories that stem from the Fructose, I guess.
They don't. Keto is the most unhealthy of all alternative diets partly for that reason.
Your brain needs carbs. Without carbs, your brain rots. And your liver gets damaged.
That being said, simple carbs like table sugar, HCFS, etc. are to be avoided because they spike your blood sugar and cause inflammation which ages your body. The sugars you get from fruits and veggies are not table sugar, they're fructose and other kinds, and they're mixed in with the fiber of the fruit so you don't get the blood sugar spike when you eat them.
Eating below the number of calories you burn will make you lose weight regardless of where those calories are from.
People don't get that because they don't bother to do the research, that's all.
Yeah, I know... I've given up at that front with some of the comments here... It's unfortunate, but I feel the whole issue with many topics in nutrition is that it's unreasonable to expect for most people to read up on organic chemistry and metabolism lol And even if you have some understanding, much is still far from understood well.
So most people end up with a superficial (mis)understanding. And Fruits, Corn Syrup, fresh juice, "100 % juice but actually it's concentrate" get all tossed together in one bag because omg Fructose.
I've certainly seen an increase in people on- and offline claiming fruits are essentially death cookies. Sometimes even expanding that to peas etc. because they realised Fructose is in them.
Sure, if you're otherwise healthy, but the point is don't drink a glass of sugar water thinking it's healthy because fruits or vitamins or some bullshit, because it's not, and you probably don't need the extra calories.
Unless you do, and then you probably already know your shit anyways.
Proof of different types of intelligence right there.