THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Absolutely. I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of police chases are unnecessary.
To a lot of cops, the occasional high-speed chase is one of the job's best perks, right up there with beating people up.
Yeah, media portrayals and other cops keep attracting adrenaline junkies and people who want to control other people to the job and that's two of the absolute WORST traits a cop could ever have.
I went to school for law enforcement and changed my mind after realizing it wasn’t for me but I had a professor who said people get into policing for 1 of 3 reasons:
It seemed at the time like he could tell the 3rd group was shrinking.
If you know that a light is broken you have a number plate which means that you can just send a ticket to the owner. At least that's how it works here in Germany. If the owner didn't drive then they're welcome to tell police who drove, unless they reported the car as stolen they're on the hook.
Oh and German police don't chase pretty much ever and definitely not on the Autobahn. That's what helicopters are for.
That's how it is here in Denmark too. As usual, us Nordics do it the common sense way while US cops are pretty much as idiotic as they're malicious, making them doubly dangerous to themselves and especially others.
Not saying that German and Danish cops don't have their ACAB moments, mind you, but they ARE less awful (in part due to more and better training) and our systems constrain them much more effectively than the insane pro-cop US one.
I'm just imagining German police choppers fitted with big ol' electromagnets, snatching suspects off the Autobahn and lifting them into the air.
It's actually why police deaths have gone down a bunch recently. It's also why they die more by felonious assaults now than anything else.
Most police departments don't chase unless the person they're chasing has done something felonious like robbery, threaten to harm, etc.
In almost any town you'll see people bitching about them not pulling people over anymore because a good chunk of people WANT them to do this still. It surprises me every time.
https://leb.fbi.gov/bulletin-highlights/additional-highlights/crime-data-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-statistics-for-2021
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/dallas/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-statistics-for-law-enforcement-officers-assaulted-and-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
Are you comparing police chases to enforcing traffic laws? One may lead to the other but you can't just stop enforcing laws because some people run. Also, if they do run I suspect they'll just get a ticket in the mail or the cops show up at their house. I know some people drive unregistered and uninsured but that's an even smaller portion still.
Let the typical traffic stops run. LET THEM. Radios operate at the speed of light. Cars do not.
(I'll admit I did get away once. 1987, 16-yo, Tulsa OK, smack in the middle of the city. I was speeding like hell, cop was stuck in traffic, other lane. He lit up, I lit down and dodged into an industrial park. Still can't believe that worked. Probably get SWAT after me today.)