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"Scheming EU states" is a total flame bait headline. The UK is not part of the EU, so why should they be included in any of this? They should be HAPPY about the EU not "meddling" with their "freedom"!
Not only that, but there are also two arrows on this map going into the UK. It’s up to the UK to take care of how well these arrows connect to important locations within their borders. There really doesn’t appear to be an issue whatsoever.
These arrows already exist! The France one is the English tunnel and the Ireland one is there because they need to make Ireland feel like one island. The uk dont have much control over how well they connect to their border. I think the uk would have benefited from this plan as they seem to be having problems with trains
All I hear is that scheming EU is shooting two arrows at the UK.
Not really, though? There are no development plans for the new railways in the UK and furthermore the entirety of the UK is greyed out but all the independent area of Ireland is part of the map.
I think that's the point, no? It's unfortunately up to the UK now to do what they will with the transport systems the EU will hook them up with.
Listen, I'm not defending the article written by people who supported Brexit then got mad about how much of a shit deal Brexit is for them, but the point of the above comment is that the maps include arrows connecting to UK Railways, but that's besides the point because the larger context of the discussion is about how a massive Railway Expansion project completely excludes the UK. It's completely moot and irrelevant to talk about the existing railways.
Huh? Apologies for being slow but what is your point?
My neighbour redid their driveway, it completely excludes my driveway, obviously. We used to share a driveway mind you and we could have shared the cost of whe work on both our driveway but I got uptight because he let brown people use both our driveways. I told him driveways first, my driveway is losing its identity due to all the brown people and I got the whole neighbourhood to vote against shared driveways.
Pretty fucking cunty of him to only redo his driveway now though innit?
I will go very slowly.
The rails are connected
The UK is not part of the plan
There is no point in mentioning that the rails are connected in a discussion about the UK not being part of the plan. It's just silly. It's like talking about changes to cars and one person in the conversation starts talking about how the wheels have been the same for 14 years now.
Why are you hung up on the mention of the rails being connected?
Ima just return that question to sender.
the UK cannot be included, because they aren't a Schengen-member and the EU doesn't want customs checks on their train lines...
it's entirely up to the UK what they do with their rails within their borders.
and as was already pointed out:
there already IS a connection between the EU and the UK!!
the new plans are largely for connections between capitals of EU countries and major population centers, both of which already have rail connections in the UK.
so what do you expect the EU to do about the rail network in the UK?
Yes the rails are connected, but you should not be arguing to me that this means the UK is part of the plan when it very clearly isn't. You're arguing on both sides right now, I don't think you're in the right state of mind.
Ireland is also not a member of the Schengen agreement...
Ireland is not connected by rail either, so customs don't matter as much; you need to change the mode of transportation anyways
Why should EU project include non-EU states?
It shouldn't, but that's not what the discussion is about, is it? Somebody made a statement that it IS part of the plan, which is verifiably false.
Who? Where?
I can't tell if you're lost or trolling. If you go up this thread to the comment I first replied to:
and this is in a discussion about the EU's renovated railway plans centered around TransEuropean Landmark transport. It also has arrows pointing into Ukraine and Belarus, but that doesn't mean any of those countries are included in the plans.
I also want to stress again, since many of you seem easily confused, I think the UK SHOULD be responsible for their own railway improvements building upon the plans of the EU by themselves, since that's the logical conclusion of Brexit, but it makes no sense to say they're part of the plan when they're not part of the plan.
The arrows are just a way to represent linking of the network beyond the EU borders. No one is saying the arrows mean UK or Ukraine or Belarus is included in the plan.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.
You are quite clearly trolling.
Sure buddy, it's me who's trolling and not someone who doesn't understand concepts of mapping legends.
I found the wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-European_Transport_Network#List_of_transport_networks
Apparently initial proposals for this pre-date brexit by 26 years.
This is a Daily Express article. Utter trash, right wing yellow journalism. Rabidly pro-brexit, endorsed Liz Truss for PM. You know, the weird cheese lady who was outlasted by a lettuce.
Obviously brexit isn't going so well and neither is the latest tory PM, so it's time for their daily article about how the foreigners done ruined Engerland.
Geezus...
Outdone by lettuce
American here. How much is that converted to Mooches?
If that idiotic and corrosive Brexit campaign had been defeated, the headline might be screaming how scheming EU nations drag the UK into their expensive transport plans.
Also the same mindless parrots on their tellys and newspapers would be mindlessly arguing the point, tossing out word salads, exactly as they would with the EU making their plans and keeping the UK out of them.
Meanwhile, non-voters who could have made a difference will be just as idiotic on polling day: "Politics is for wankers/both parties are the same. Shall we go for drinks?"
It's wild to me how America, UK, and Canada are dealing with these idiotic right wing extremists or fans. It did not go well in the states, is still not going well, but people in other countries are all agreeing that yeah now is the time to be loud, racist, shitholes who make life worse for everyone with their stupidity????? What the fuuuck
Step 1) blame everyone else for everything that's wrong. Step 2) promise all the good things if only people vote for you. If they are actually gullible enough to do that we come to step 3) grab all the wealth you can and shift it to your cronies, smash anything too heavy to carry off and leave the opposition in a smouldering ruin that you can then again blame and berate the next government for.
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/thom-hartmann-how-the-gop-used-a-two-santa-clauses-tactic-to-con-america-for-nearly-40-years_partner/
And you'd think at the latest when the Brexit happens and totally fucked up logistics, industry and the already ailing healthcare in the UK, the right-wing voters might have realized "Oh wait, maybe the people we've been voting for us have been lying and it was rather obvious with how they didn't want to be associated with the shit they made us vote for after it actually worked out and they won the vote". Nope. They're proud of it. All the mean mean evil EU now being mean to lil' ol' England out of pure spite. Aye.
(to be fair we already did that a long time ago when we banished them to a damp, sad and depressing island in the north sea)
I heard on the radio this morning the government singing their own praises after reintroducing pint size bottles of wine. A "Brexit benefit". This is after 99% of those surveyed said they wanted metric sizes. 99%!
The right wing voters won't be happy until everything burns down so they can institute their shitty boring ass cishet white only vision of society.
All of Europe, and a bunch of other places, are swinging to the right. It's not an Anglosphere thing, you just read english-speaking news more.
Funny enough, the UK is in the process of swinging back leftwards again at the moment. Roll on the 2024 general election.
The Netherlands just voted in our own right-wing extremist, Geert Wilders. 😭
You know how the right-wing nutjobs have been frothing about a "new world order" conspiracy theory for a long time now? You know, the one about a secretive multinational cabal plotting to take over the entire world?
Yeah... it turns out even that was projection, too.
I'd welcome the EU meddling in my freedom; certainly would be better than the Tories
It's the Daily Express, an offshoot of the Daily Mail. They both have ridiculously anti EU slants and have had those for decades
Every since the thought occurred to me I can't stop thinking about it. There is just this entire class of people out there who do no real work, are paid money to tell us how they should be running things, and whose only plan in running things is to take something that works and break it.
The UK doesn't need to be part of this really, there's one link to mainland Europe (the channel tunnel) and the rest should just be sensible UK road and rail network planning. NI and Ireland already have ways to cooperate when it comes to planning transport on the Ireland of Island.
I say "in theory" because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
Love this at what looks like 11pm on the day that's in it as I write at 4am.
Love you, neighbour. Sorry about the HS2 bullshit. Shambles tbh.
Lol my bad. I'm going to leave it like that for everyone to enjoy!
Oh 100%!
How many decades has it been since THAT last happened, though?
Oh. Same page, it would seem 😁