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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won’t see peace.

About your Hamas part, Hamas has historically participated in ceasefire agreements in good faith. It's Israel who doesn't (hell they didn't completely follow the current agreement). Why I'm saying this is that the "and Hamas is also removed from power" part is basically Israeli propaganda, because it makes it seem like even if Israel tries to make peace with Palestinians it won't happen until Hamas is removed (likely by force), which makes things like this current war easier to swallow.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You must be new to the planet if you believe Hamas will ever settle for a two state solution

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Y'all seem to forget that Hamas is the weaker side here. If Gazans get something they can accept Hamas won't be able to refuse. Also historically they've been cooperative with Israeli peace efforts.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I'm sorry we're not allowed to have actual facts here. Only rhetoric. Israel is completely justified in it's genocide because there's a single Palestinian with a fantasy of doing it to Jews.

[–] shadysus@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I will highlight the important bit

Removed from power through legal means, by the people they state they represent. Removing either group with violence will beget more violence. A new entity with the same ideology will fill the gap.

Hamas as an organization has its own problems, and they share a lot of the same issues as Likud. They both hold on to power through violence and fear.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

Oh yeah Hamas definitely has a lot of problems, and while I don't know a lot about Gaza's internal affairs they're probably not the people who should be ruling Gaza after the conflict ends. That said, one of the things they do right is following ceasefire agreements until it's obvious Israel has no intention of doing the same (2008 and 2012 come to mind).

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas has historically participated in ceasefire agreements in good faith.

Not in the last years that come in my mind, It was Islamic Jihad in 2022 but they couldn't do without Hamas allowing them to. Every single time it was games who started escalation, even if they've claimed that it was "defending of Al Aqsa" or something similar

hell they didn't completely follow the current agreement

Yes, Israel have, they haven't attacked and released prisoners they should've and allowed trucks with humanitarian aid, while Hamas carried a terror attack in Jerusalem (yesterday)

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Edit: Citation needed. ~~Israel continued bombing, albeit with a reduced frequency, throughout the period of the current pause. That's not following anything.~~

Also I can't find that thing about 2022.

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Israel haven't continued bombing in the time of the current ceasefire, can you please give the source of the claim?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago

Okay I checked now and I actually can't find it. I guess I'll have to take that back until I can find a source.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree that if these documents were released a year ago, it was a terrible decision made by the government.

But at the same time, Hamas has never had a good faith. Ofc, if you don’t consider killing all Jews a good faith.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has never had a good faith.

That's not what the word "good faith" means.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago

Agreed, I should have said "good intentions"