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As part of a plea deal, one of former President Donald Trump's attorneys has told prosecutors in Georgia that she was informed in the wake of the 2020 election that Donald Trump was "not going to leave" the White House -- despite the fact that he had already lost the election and most of his subsequent challenges.

The revelation, along with others, came during a confidential interview the attorney, Jenna Ellis, had with Fulton County investigators. ABC News has obtained portions of videos of the proffer sessions of both Ellis and Sidney Powell, two attorneys who aided Trump's efforts to overturn the election. The videos for the first time reveal details of what they have told law enforcement since agreeing to cooperate last month in the district attorney's election interference case.

Ellis, in her proffer session, informed prosecutors that senior Trump White House official Dan Scavino told her "the boss" would refuse to leave the White House despite losing the election, and alluded to two other instances she said were "relevant" to prosecutors -- but appeared to be prevented from disclosing those in the video portions obtained by ABC News due to attorney-client privilege, which hindered portions of her proffer.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is anyone else wondering how these videos are becoming public? It seems weird to have this type of thing leak. I hope that it doesn't force any issues with using this testimony in court.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

These videos are several weeks old or more, but were recently handed over to defense legal team as part of discovery.

That’s what we do know. Who leaked them after that we don’t know.

[–] tetrachromacy@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From my understanding, these videos contain no actual evidence of 45 committing or ordering wrongdoing. It also looks like these are clips of longer interviews. So my assumption is that someone got a hold of these videos and audio clips and edited them to make it seem like each of these people had nothing worthwhile to say in their statements, then released them.

I believe this because leaking these videos can only hurt the prosecution, particularly if nothing they're saying is inculpatory. Then conservative media outlets can run chyrons "BIG "GET" BY LOONY DA FANI A BUST!" and let the talking heads run wild on it. Then GA's DA office is then faced with a problem: do you say nothing and let people keep believing that there's nothing(which can corrode public opinion in the case which can be devastating) or possibly break confidentiality agreements with the snitches and publish what they actually said?

Who benefits from this info being out in the open? If nothing they said in these recordings fingers 45 on criminal actions, then it's not the prosecution. From where I and all other US citizens sit it sounds like these useless clowns got sweetheart deals to give almost no useful information. Hopefully this is all just some psych op from the extreme right or Russia/China/whoever they're in league with this year, and there's more info that these clowns gave in their deposition that's not included in these recordings.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone else made the point that these videos were recently released to the defense as part of discovery. I wonder if they were smart enough to watermark the video. If it can be proven that the videos that were released were edited from files that were directly given to defense lawyers, then I expect those lawyers are in for a world of hurt.

Maybe they are expecting to be pardoned in the next administration, though.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think watermarking would be helpful. If you're the prosecution and you hand over watermarked evidence, but also want to leak evidence to the public, then you'd almost certainly use the version you watermarked. As we saw with the SCOTUS leaks, it's really hard to detect the source of court leaks.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But I don't think this helps the prosecution at all, in fact it may hinder being able to being this evidence at trial. And doesn't all this discovery material need to be kept secret? The court should be very motivated to find out where this leak came from. If they can't plug it, then this won't be the last leak, and there will be no way to hold a fair trial.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's probably a leak by the people who MADE the video. I think they are telegraphing to Trump how boned he is.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems more likely to me that these were leaked by the Trump team to try and force an appeal until after the election, by which time he'll have presidential immunity to prosecution.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A proffer wouldn't be made available to Trumps team. I don't think. A proffer would be between a defendant and the prosecution to arrive at some sort of plea deal. Once a deal is arranged, the facts/evidence mentioned in the proffer would be made available to Trump during discovery.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was my understanding that this was in the evidence that was handed over.

Prosecutors said the footage was turned over to the remaining defendants as part of discovery, urging the court to impose restrictions on how the defendants can disclose the materials.