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[–] isles@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

While I can't take Hamas' word at face value, I also can't forget that many people who are not Israeli have a vested interest in spreading misinformation. Why did Israel change it's story so many times immediately following? Can IDF not launch missiles from inside Gaza? The article mentions this ordinance has been used by Hamas before, when? How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?

This is an incredible claim and I expect incredible proof.

[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My man, this current conflict started with Hamas launching ~2,500 missiles at Israel. Israel famously has the Iron Dome system to shoot down the missiles that have been coming from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon for years. It is not at all an incredible claim that Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in Palestine have missiles; it's well-proven fact. Here's an info-graphic of the different types of missiles Hamas was known to have as of 2021.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

The iron dome doesn't extend into Gaza right? So it wasn't a rocket interception?

[–] isles@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks friend, you're a good fella. I understand the Iron Dome is a rocket defense system, there's just a difference between missiles and rockets.

[–] Docus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure why you added “there’s just a difference between missiles and rockets”. There is a difference, but is not particularly relevant here. Many people mix up these terms anyway: the post you replied to mentions missiles but Hamas, as per linked graphic, probably only has rockets. It may matter to the iron dome system, as that relies on a predictable path of a rocket to decide what to target.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?

my man, we literally saw them firing thousands of rockets into Israel, but this one is somehow unbelievable?

[–] avater@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?

there are huge tunnel systems under gaza...its quite crazy.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

incredible claim

Fuck the IDF and fuck Hamas but there isn’t anything incredible about it besides the fact that you don’t seem to like it

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have not seen Israel change it's story, do you have a source for that

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

First they blamed Hamas. Then they posted a video from 2022. Then they posted a video with a wrong timestamp (even though it was live). There were probably more but these are what came to mind.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

It's important to clarify who is making those claims. Often it's some rando or someone with no credentials to be making the claim.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Who downvotes people for asking for sources, pathetic

[–] isles@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are a few: https://twitter.com/MarkKersten/status/1714367614162702612, but they are saved all over if you don't trust this random dude.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago

Do some more research. Check who that rando is. I debunked this tweet in like 20 seconds earlier in this thread

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Why did Israel change it’s story so many times immediately following?

Because their psyop instinct jumped the gun without double-checking whether they actually hit any target even in the rough vicinity. Imagine a bunch of neck-bearded shitposters in uniform salivating over their keyboards, then brass storming in saying "stop that it wasn't us, this time".