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So they copied AFMF. If it's anything like their driver level upscaler(NIS) is going to be shit because they released it to tick a box rather than invest actual development time to make it functional, unlike the competition who has a, together with the FOSS community, turned into a mainstay of not rich people toolset everywhere.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but
I don't think that has worked out too well for AMD so far. It feels like they just do the bare minimum, release and hope someone else finishes the job.
FSR is open source, and the only noteworthy thing I remember is No Mans Sky on Switch with a surprisingly good custom implementation. Nobody else bothered.
Everyone and their mother uses FSR on edge devices and can customise it to their liking. In fact, it's part of the SteamDeck toolset to make games run at acceptable frame rates. I'd call that a win. Conversely, DLSS and similar tech has only accomplished making games run like shit and deprive us of non blurry images unless using it to superscale which is basically MSAA at that point... I should be the biggest fan of DLSS given I have an edge device with an NVIDIA gpu, however, I mostly use AMD tech on that (now) underpowered GPU because Nvidia is rent seeking and I don't want to pay them rent. Make of that what you will, I'm not interested into being dragged into a fanboyism war. I have both vendor's products and there's one I use predominantly because it's open and another I dislike because instead of pushing the industry forward is promoting shit game optimisation and hobbling game engines through MDF bribery making gaming less accessible to everyone.
I have a 30 series card and my experience is DLSS now is better than when it first came out. Original DLSS was pretty bad, it made things noticeably blurry. Current DLSS I’m fine with keeping on “Quality” or maybe even “Balanced” settings.
I’ve tried FSR but DLSS seems to be much better quality for similar performance.
I only have found one game that has FSR frame gen in it to try (Marvel Rivals specifically) but something went horribly wrong because it added a lot of latency and framerate instability. Tbh Marvel Rivals is probably not the kind of game you want to be using frame gen with anyway.
There seems to be this attitude like you are supposed to upgrade your GPU every year. I don’t intend to upgrade my GPU until it either breaks or really can’t keep up with modern games. Neither is happening any time soon.
Precisely. NVIDIA tries its best to always give you less for more. The latest is selling a xx70 class card for 1160€ and calling it 5080.
As for frame gen, I'm not a framegen fan, its use case is not me or anyone else in the sub 1000€ price point. It's useful when you're CPU limited and want to play, single player games, at the max refresh rate of your shiny new 540Hz monitor.
For everyone else, like 3060 owners like myself, DLSS works well if you are playing a dear marketing game like cyberpunk. Use it on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 and it's a blurry mess at anything below 1080p input res (XeSS works best here for me, and more ppl, better than DLSS). Frame gen (even just 2x) doesn't solve the problem that the overwhelming majority of people have, which is playing the latest games at the best possible visual quality with acceptable frame rates. I didn't invest on a PC to play The Witcher 3 (DLSS broken on older gen cards,) with PS4 levels of latency!? Plus DLSS, as of late has TERRIBLE frame pacing in most games. Perhaps it's the limited framebuffer!?
That doesn't change the fact that games are horribly optimised nowadays. God Of War ran on a PS4 but I need a power plant to run STALKER or Alan Wake at 60fps without it looking like a disco party with all the shimmering. Thx NVIDIA
Everybody can customize it, but nobody does, that's my point.
What? How is it doing that? Also, why is DLSS the reason for blurry images, but FSR is better?
What are you even talking about?
It looks like you've already joined the fanboy war on the side of AMD.
Case in point. And more conspiracies.
Literally this week
just one of the many games where the implementation was shit. FSR is better because it's free and open
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Nvidia has been further weaponising the patent system with great success by offering grants to grad unis under the condition the IP is the sole property of NVIDIA. They have completely hobbled the competitive environment around parallel processing making it almost impossible for non juggernauts to enter the fray.
I'm fanboying for FOSS, open software and open standards that foster competition and new ideas.
Almost, every single game made with NV support has been plagued by performance issues. That's before we mention their recent app which is problematic.
They hold a monopoly and are antithetical to FOSS despite the latest push motivated by propelling AI deployment on consumer desktop linux to increase sales.
Perhaps you should re-examine why you're so antithetical to criticism of NVIDIA, maybe you merged your definition of self with the brand and that's you react so emotionally when someone points out how detrimental of an organisation NVIDIA is.
So you don't get what I meant, ok. You can mod DLSS into games that don't support it, that doesn't mean it's customizable. I was talking about the actual FSR upscaling implementation. Basically, no one cares that FSR is open source because no devs are putting any work into it to make it better. So in practice, this isn't a positive.
Like I said, FSR being open source doesn't mean anything, because nobody is working on it, AMD included. FSR in Dead Space was a blurry mess, so by your logic it's garbage.
In theory yes, but not how AMD is doing it. When they try to catch up with NVIDIA tech, they do the bare minimum and hope someone else finishes the work, which doesn't work.
Does that mean AMD is terrible, because they had problems with their drivers? Or when Adrenalin causes problems?
Got any examples, that are NVIDIAs fault? I remember the Tessellation stuff in Crysis. Anything more recent, that isn't just game runs bad, so it must be NVIDIAs fault?
I'm not against criticism of NVIDIA. I'm against baseless accusations, that are often just conspiracy theories, without any evidence. It mostly just comes down to NVIDIA bad.
That's why I'm saying you are an AMD fanboy. A lot of the examples you mentioned can also apply to AMD, but you just ignore them, and it doesn't matter to you. AMD supports FOSS, so they can't do wrong and are the good guys.
Here go to forks then commits and you'll see a wide community including non AMD staff.
Yes, t'was trash in Dead Space, however, it's free so it cost me nothing to have trash rather than a kidney.
TressFX and several other tech has been open and industry leadig. Apple's Metal, DX12 and Vulkan itself benefited from AMD's push for mantle by the BF4 release. People have a convenient habit to forget the FOSS initiatives that end up resulting in pearls like proton, DxVK, et al.
Dunno, using FOSS drivers. How's Noveau doing with the 5xxx series? Regarding adrenalin poblems, fuck ye it makes AMD terrible, people paid a butload of cash for hardware that doesn't do what was advertised. Same for NVIDIA or Intel.
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I'm also happy you chose to ignore the EU anticompetitive suit that is ongoing and I referenced (that one goes beyond AI and includes bundling of technologies).
Naturally that would defeat your entire attempt at arguing I'm an AMD fanboy thus jeopardising your "ironclad" protection of the self identification with NVIDIA.
Edit: here we go, best tech company in the world
Also amazing to see the voting trends when US Americans wake up...
No, you simply are an AMD fanboy. As you've shown in basically all of you comments here.
Again, ignoring the examples that contradict your argument. NVIDIA has bad DLSS implementation, they're bad, AMD doesn't matter, they can't do wrong.
Ok, but if you look at these examples, lots of times, AMD is just dumping the code, sometimes do a few commits, and then nothing. Like I said multiple times, it seems like AMD is doing the minimum amount of work and hope others finish.
Then the tons of forks, what do they matter, if nothing comes of it. I asked you which dev worked on FSR1 or 2, to improve it and released something.
Finally, one single example, where AMD possibly didn't just do the minimum amount of work and hope others do the rest (although who knows how much of it was DICE, but let's give AMD the benefit of the doubt. I also don't really care about your other examples like proton or DxVK. I never said FOSS are bad or something. This is just about AMD and how they (seemingly) handle their open source stuff.
As for your EVGA or Apple examples, you are constantly expanding the scope of the argument. First, it's about how DLSS ruins game visual. Then it's NVIDIA basically sabotaging games and crippling their performance. Now you're bringing past business partners into the mix, because you can't answer the initial question.
Please show me, where I said NVIDIA has never done anything wrong and Jensen is a saint. Yes, NVIDIA can be a shitty and greedy company. They might be a pain to work with. They do shitty stuff, basically because they're the top dog right now. However, you are basically blaming everything that's wrong in the world on them, and when asked for anything to back it up, you talk nonsense.
Next, your Assassin's Creed example. Ubisoft and NVIDIA are pointing fingers at each other, but you think it must be all NVIDIAs fault? And even if they are solely responsible, that's two examples of NVIDIA casing problems with games in what, 30 years? Doesn't seem too bad to me, unless you got anything else.
Hey, just like you're ignoring something I said, I do the same thing. Call me when that suit is done.
Imma be honest, I don't know why you brought NVIDIA into this. I just criticized AMD and FSR, but you couldn't just show me examples of how I'm wrong, you mostly had to tell me that NVIDIA are the devil.
My original comment, about NVIDIA, that you forgot after moving the goal posts n times because at every turn I gave you references, which you outright ignored or moved the goalposts a bit more to dismiss. So, here we are, turns out you're projecting when calling others "fanboy". Enjoy paying 1000$ for a xx70 class card, you deserve it.
I thought you might get confused here.
I engaged with one specific part here of your post, I even quoted it. No mention of NIS or the new Smooth Motion tech and how good they are. This was all just how I think AMD didn't really invest actual development, maybe brought something functional, but not competitive, and hasn't really been working together with the FOSS community.
Please show me where I shifted the goal posts. You did it time and time again, when I asked for examples for your accusations, but you couldn't provide any.
Projecting again.
I see this is going nowhere. I hope you have a great day.
You too.