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In case you're asking out of good faith curiosity:
Tankie is a pejorative (and rightfully so) term for a particular brand of communist/socialist. It's worth noting that I have nothing against communists or communism in general (even though I don't agree with it as a political system). A tankie is someone whose standpoint is that communism can do no wrong; anything that went wrong in USSR and China is CIA's fault, and the Czechs, Hungarians, and Tibetans had it coming.
Oh, and to any tankies who are reading this and are tempted to engage in sealioning, don't bother - I don't care and probably won't respond. Plus there's a pretty good chance you're already on my block list. Call me fascist if you will (I'vebeen called worse things), but at least tell me a definition of fascism that doesn't also encompass todays China and Russia
Basically, it's a label applied to people of a communist persuasion who have given up on any form of critical thinking, and just defaults to "America bad, therefore anything opposing it must be good". Yes, America bad indeed. But that doesn't automatically Pol Pot, Kim Young Un, and Stalin are good.
Also, don't be surprised if this comment is downvoted to oblivion after someone links it on hexbear or lemmygrad. It's quite telling that comments like this are usually attacked based on syntax rather than substance, while refusing to actually explain what happened at Tianmen Square or during the Holodomor, without citing russian or Chinese propaganda.
Also, the name is a reference to communist countries sending tanks against civilians, RE: Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, and Tianmen Square 1989
Just a friendly suggestion. Leninism isn't communism. Don't give them what they want by referring to them as communist. It gives actual communist/anarchist even more undeserved grief and misinformation to counter.
Leninism often referred to as ML is an authoritarian ideology. Which is a socialist in name only. They will gladly sacrifice actual socialism to protect the ruling Vanguard ala the tankies. Claiming their ideology is to facilitate building an economy that can then somehow transition to communism. They have no outline or mechanism for this to happen. In fact they would kill most anyone who tried. As those people would be a threat to the Vanguard.
Communism is a classless stateless society. A Society with a separate Vanguard party has classes. And authoritarian state is not stateless. Therefore they are not communist no matter how much they use the term. You are spot on with everything else though.
Well the 'America bad for the world' is arguably not wrong.
True. The problem is their thought process is "therefore every country that's adversarial to the US is good" including Russia, China, North Korea, etc.
As a leftist pinko card-carrying Democratic Socialist of America, I can't agree that Tankies are on this side of the fence. I think they're all either brainwashed or trolling... Either way, they have no idea what they're saying most of the time.
That being said, they've ruined the ability for some of us to give honest constructive criticism of the American left.
What does "pinko" mean in this context? (Or any context, for that matter... can't recall having heard that term before)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinko
TIL...
I shy away from defining myself on the left/right axis, as this depends a lot on where you are and what is defined as the center. But let's just say I'd love to hang out with Bernie.
I'm certainly not a "Liberal." They are not the same thing.
Libs in the USA are right-of-center. Examples in my mind are Pelosi or Schumer. The ones who kowtow to business interests and pay lip service to social injustices while doing nothing in their personal life or legislative maneuvering to support it.
And while I agree the bidirectional "left" or "right" thing isn't ideal, and the Compass method is only slightly better, I am far better described as Leftist than I am anything else. I fall more inline with the Scandinavian countries' left than that of the USA's.
Isn't it more than that though? A lot of the US intervention stuff can be true, but I thought the whole thing that made a tankie a tankie was the support of an authoritarian dictatorship and wanting that to be implemented?
Like I totally believe the US does and will try to destroy any communist country that arises, but I dont support the idea of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" so hopefully that doesn't make me a tankie lol
True. I just tried to give a short primer. I am indeed part of (to an extent) the "America bad"-camp, but it doesn't make me sverve so hard I crash into a ditch on the opposite side.
haha, love that picture!
Edit: Also I think hexbear and lemmygrad can't downvote due to being defederated from blåhaj.
Ah, I wasn't aware of said defederation. Good on Blåhaj
I love all the whackadoo shapes like stethoscope, horseshoe, and fishhook that people are forced to use to cling to the notion that political ideology is linear.
There are two legislative variables- societal and economic. That requires two axes for accurate plotting, and why it’s so difficult to fit an authoritarian socialist on a line that is primarily determining a socialized vs. conservative economy.
Realistically, even the political compass is a vast simplification of how real politics works. We usually visualise most mainstream democratic parties on the y=x line on the compass, but there are almost as many exceptions to that guideline as there are examples of it.
For example, left leaning parties overwhelmingly are more likely to support gun control or anti-hate-speech laws, although those are essentially authoritarian social policies. And conservatives support left-economic policies like restricting companies' ability to moderate their content as they see fit. Or their support of the army, which is an enormous government-run organisation.
But still, yeah, having a 2d set of axes gives you a much better look at where parties sit in relation to each other than trying to visualise it on a single line.