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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Protest without the threat of violence has never accomplished anything. Gandhi, MLK, hippies, labor activists, and all the rest only got what they wanted when the elites were afraid of what would happen to them if they did not give in.

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dr. King’s policy was, if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption. In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.

Stokely Carmichael

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anybody here seen my old friend Luigi?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
Thought I saw him walkin' over the hill
With Abraham, Martin, and John

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lincoln, King, and Brown?

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lincoln, King, and Kennedy.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

All of the examples of inneffective people you gave did result in systemic change, though...

India became independent, the civil rights act was signed, Nixon resigned and there hasn't been a draft since Vietnam...

Labor movement is a bit too vague on a global context I am afraid.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

Every one of those had a parallel violent threat backing up the non violent movement. For instance MLK had Malcolm X, There was a ton of violence in the independent India movement. The anti-war movement had the Weather Underground.

History lessons focus on the nonviolent movements as a form of consciousness and unconscious social programming. Liberals and fascists are united in their mutual desire to have controllable opposition from the left.