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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

IMO this is why it takes an additional axis to define a government, not just left/right but also free/authoritarian. You can find examples of all combinations. Left wing and repressive? Cuba. Left leaning and free? Sweden. Right wing and repressive? Russia, Saudi Arabia, whatever. Right leaning and free (mostly)? USA.

Obviously, there’s a gradient within these axes, but it’s strange to see people cheering on a country that matches their preferred left or right wing ideology if they’re super repressive.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

The thing is, Left vs Right is already a measure of authoritarian vs Democratic.

The original use of the terms comes from the French Revolution. There was a vote on if the King should have an absolute veto over laws passed by the assembly. Those who said no sat to the left of the Speakers podium. Those who said yes sat on the right.

The reason why left and right were applied to economic policy was because Marx described Communism as a form of extreme Democracy. Whereas Capitalism concentrates power into the hands of a select few.

It's still a measure of where the power rests. In the hands of the people or the hands of the state/leader.

You can break it down to dozens of categories, but it's all authoritarian vs Democratic in the end.

As a note, Lenin style single party "communism" is about as far from Marx's ideal as you can get.

Dictators and Kings are all the enemies of the people.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why we need to reeducate people and stop using the traditional left-right spectrum and start using the axis spectrum

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even the axis spectrum is unproductive, ideologies and frameworks cannot be distilled into single data points on a map, no matter how many axes you add.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (40 children)

The axis spectrum has proven to be very efficient imo. A lot of the politics we talk about are mainly composed of social and economic elements which the axis spectrum portrays well.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

How in the world has it "proven to be very efficient"? Did you run laboratory tests?

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