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[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not. Go swords.⚔️

[–] Whorehoarder@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you're saying, once you lose your advantage you gain a disadvantage? This the kind of religious propaganda that put Atreides on the throne

[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m just saying you better be hot fire with that spear. Otherwise you’re getting cut.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Absolutely not. It's the other way around there's a reason any army get spears while swords are just a simbol for nobility.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That reason is price to produce and skill to wield my dude

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not an expert, are you? All the in dephts historical weapon stuff I met in my life has told me and confirmed me spears win against swords.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I didn’t say spears didn’t win against swords.

Spears are easier to wield, it’s a pointy stick. It requires less training to use. Requires significantly less materials to make.

They are a standoff weapon though, in close combat a sword or small bladed weapon wins. Different tools for different purposes.

The information I’m parroting is from experts and historians and literature and everything I’ve read over my 4 decades, it’s common knowledge at this point and not really worth “arguing” imo.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's this really annoying trend on the YouTube HEMA-type channels where they give unarmored and unshielded amateur college students swords and spears to "test" swords and spears and then crown the spear best weapon, no notes, no context.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well my anedoctal evidence is diametrically opposite to yours.

It's time to invoke the sacred sources.

  1. https://swordis.com/blog/spear-vs-sword/
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your sacred source might as well be what I just said, so cool thanks.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I always find it fascinating the kind of things people will say because they saw a YouTube video once while ignoring all the actual historical context, like the Romans building their empire by fighting spear phalanxes with sword (and javelin) based legions.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Romans swords were not actual swords.

They also had shields and that changes things a lot.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

At close range the spear becomes a staff which can block the knife and give a concussion thwack.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not.

Yes, but getting in close without getting stabbed is really hard.
Here's an actual example of modern HEMA folks giving it a lot of goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLv8E2pWdk

[–] jakwithoutac 2 points 1 week ago

This was incredibly nerdy and I loved every second of it

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you ever fenced against a spear?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I fenced in college against people with slightly longer arms and just that minor difference put me at a huge disadvantage.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

I feel you. I know how many hits I can get in just stabbing at unexpected moments at long range with my sword, with a spear it would be plenty easier.