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Hezbollah have had this coming, they fired rockets at Israel on October 8th. So not because of what Israel was doing to the Palestinians, but in support of what Hamas did on October 7th.
As long as Israel is occupying land, they are in constant state of war
You understand October 7 was hamas response to Israeli settlers continually invading and stealing Gaza land, right?
This did not "begin" October 7th.
Israeli settler terrorists are just as bad as hezbollah.
If your response to a disagreement about olive groves in the west Bank is to rape and murder 1200 innocent people I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn't get the olives
You literally just reduced people's entire lives and livelihoods to "olive groves" to justify everything they've been going through for decades. No matter which way you put it, that was an incredibly shitty thing to say. Not to mention just plain wrong and evil.
Literally nothing that has happened in the west Bank justifies what happened on 10/7. That was just sheer face to face animalism from hamas
Cool, still a really shitty thing for you to say.
Would you say the same about the 70+ years of prosecution and crimes inflicted on the Israelis on the Palestinian population? That's there's no justifying it?
It was also a correct thing to say.
Anyway, no shit a military occupation sucks. If your solution is jihadism, rape, and murder than fuck you. Israel does plenty of fucked up shit. They still shouldn't let themselves and their people die to placate fanatics and their useful idiots in the west
It really wasn't the correct thing to say.
Hezbollah has stated that they fired those rockets in solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Source
Cool. That's an incredibly dumb reason to start a war with a country like Israel. There's a reason Egypt and Jordan don't do that anymore.
Hezbollah only exists because of Occupation by Israel, like Hamas, and the three previous invasions. Jordan and Egypt are allies of the US
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/17/beyond-hezbollah-the-history-of-tensions-between-lebanon-and-israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict
Hezbollah are violent jihadists. That's all I care about here. Fuck them.
I don't think standing up for human rights violations is a dumb thing to do. And Israel started this war. They didn't have to slaughter innocent civilians indiscriminately, but Israel did. They didn't have to assassinate key figures, perform acts of terror like blowing up pagers, or attack civilian areas in Lebanon. But Israel did do all that. They started this war, and they're just crying victim because people are actually calling them out on their bs and fighting back.
Groups like Hezbollah don't believe in human rights. They do not care if innocent people die. Their problem with Israel is not that it's oppressive, they love oppressive regimes (Iran, Russia). Hezbollah engages in assassinations in Lebanon and abroad frequently. I can go on but my point is you don't know who these people are or what they believe.
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah believe in a borderless global theocracy. They believe in a world of public executions and state sponsored brutality against anybody who argues. They are authoritarians, human rights are western philosophical nonsense to them. Unislamic alien beliefs. They simply do not believe in equality or the sanctity of life.
Their problem with Israel is solely that Israel is Jewish.
If Hezbollah doesn't care about civilian casualties, then why do they almost exclusively target military bases? Israel has no moral authority on this topic either. There have been civilian casualties virtually every day for the past year as they try to wipe out the Palestinian population. Israel also makes up approximately 80% of the attacks that have been between Hezbollah and Israel.
They believe in nothing of the sort. Nasrallah has come out and publicly supported a single state solution so that Muslims, Christians, and Jews can live together democratically.. The same link also explains how he actually publicly advocated for and helped build a synagogue in Beirut. Hezbollah is not anti-semitic, just anti-zionist.
Dude, stop posting no-name propaganda sites like they are a source.
Fact is Hezbollah has been around since the 80s. They started as a Shia islamist militia that committed numerous atrocities during Lebanons Civil War. IT then entrenched itself in souther Lebanon and has been engaging in violence against all manner of groups since then. Including civilians. They've been rocketing residential Israeli neighborhoods for a year
We know what they are and what they believe, we know what they do, and we know why they do it. Nasrallahs lies a worth nothibg, we know what he was. Don't play dumb. A "single state" is code for an Islamic theocracy. They use the language of westerner human rights ideology to fool people like you, and it evidently works
Which link do you consider propaganda? The reddit post where OP maps out all the attacks extensively and with sources? Or the opinion piece that explains Nasrallah's life?
I'm not going to bore everyone reading this and try to teach you media literacy.
It's a complex, multifaceted, situation. What is not complex or multifaceted is Hezbollahs actions. They just straight up shoot rockets at innocent people. Cmon, man. Nobody benefits from you trying to convince me, yourself, or anybody reading this that they're a bunch of secular progressive angels. They're not. Like it's not an opinion.
I literally just gave you a source explaining why Hezbollah doesn't just shoot rockets at innocent people like you said. If you want to explain to me why the source is wrong, then go right ahead. Every accusation and generalization you made, I was able to disprove with a few minutes of googling. You can't expect me to believe everything you say without even trying to back it up.
In "a few minutes of googling" I could find anything, that really doesn't mean anything. Needless to say reputable information does exist, and you are currently not posting it.
Again, since the 80s. Trying to claim Hezbollah are anything but violent jihadists is friggin laughable.
Like I said before, I've given you my reasons on why I think the way I do. You have not returned the same courtesy to me. All you've done is make baseless claims and allegations without actually telling me where they come from. And when I say "Hey, I think you're wrong and here's why" you don't even bother with looking at it. I don't expect you to go over it all, but at least take a look. You just dismiss it as propaganda with little to no actual effort to understand what I'm trying to say. I've literally given you documented actions and events to support what I'm saying and disprove what you say. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. Your entire argument is simply you saying "They're evil, trust me bro". I think I'll trust what I see and read over what you say, thank you very much.
Edit: I also want to point out that at no point did you seem interested in even acknowledging the evil that Israel has been doing in both Gaza and Lebanon. You just seem all too eager to justify their atrocious actions by saying "Yeah, but Hezbollah bad". If I had to label one group as bad in this conflict, it would be Israel.
That's nice. You posted bullshit, I called it bullshit. I'm sure on your super deep and intricate google search you encountered proof of everything I said. Go look again.
Your opinions on Israel don't matter. Hezbollah are, again, violent jihadists. Fuck them. They want to kill me. Why would I kiss their ass like you do?
Calling it bullshit without explaining why it's bullshit doesn't automatically make it bullshit. This shouldn't be a difficult thing for you to understand or wrap your head around.
Why would Hezbollah want to kill you?
But I thought you had google, the fountain of truth?
Hezbollah are violent jihadists. They want to kill most people. Again, not a matter of debate. Get over it.
And looking over the internet led me to the conclusions I showed you. Once again, if you think I'm wrong, then feel free to tell me why you think that way. But you repeatedly saying I'm wrong doesn't just magically make it so.
You didn't look very hard then
Where should I have looked?
The moment the first news dropped on October 7 it was clear Israel was to retaliate with a bloodbath and they started bombing Gaza the same evening. If Hezbollahs goal at the time was to make use of the situation, they would have went for an all out attack while IDF was in disarray.
The goal was to increase the pressure on Israel for reaching a cease-fire agreement through keeping their northern settlers out of their settlements, rendering the region economically inactive and the settlers angry at their government.
It seems like no one anticipated this to go into a yearlong war. Initially Hamas seemed to have aimed to reach a ceasefire quickly through a hostage exchange deal, but Israel put genocide over having their hostages return alive.
“Something something, make excuses for terrorists.”
I can't bring myself to mourn for people like Nasrallah. That said things are undeniably going to get a lot worse for everybody before they get better.
I don't see any indication of a reasonable end goal from Israel. They've remained uncommitted on an exit strategy from Gaza and opening a front in Lebanon rather then helping the security situation is as likely to get them bogged down in a quagmire. From what I can gather anyway they're just going balls the wall trying to eliminate as many of Iran's proxies as they can before they bow to international pressure like they historically have whenever things "escalate" too much
Wars have to end. If you go into them without an exit strategy they will backfire. Right now Israel's government seems more concerned with keeping Bibi out of jail then it does with crafting any sort of humane way out of this mess.