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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think standing up for human rights violations is a dumb thing to do. And Israel started this war. They didn't have to slaughter innocent civilians indiscriminately, but Israel did. They didn't have to assassinate key figures, perform acts of terror like blowing up pagers, or attack civilian areas in Lebanon. But Israel did do all that. They started this war, and they're just crying victim because people are actually calling them out on their bs and fighting back.

[–] creamy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Groups like Hezbollah don't believe in human rights. They do not care if innocent people die. Their problem with Israel is not that it's oppressive, they love oppressive regimes (Iran, Russia). Hezbollah engages in assassinations in Lebanon and abroad frequently. I can go on but my point is you don't know who these people are or what they believe.

Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah believe in a borderless global theocracy. They believe in a world of public executions and state sponsored brutality against anybody who argues. They are authoritarians, human rights are western philosophical nonsense to them. Unislamic alien beliefs. They simply do not believe in equality or the sanctity of life.

Their problem with Israel is solely that Israel is Jewish.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If Hezbollah doesn't care about civilian casualties, then why do they almost exclusively target military bases? Israel has no moral authority on this topic either. There have been civilian casualties virtually every day for the past year as they try to wipe out the Palestinian population. Israel also makes up approximately 80% of the attacks that have been between Hezbollah and Israel.

They believe in nothing of the sort. Nasrallah has come out and publicly supported a single state solution so that Muslims, Christians, and Jews can live together democratically.. The same link also explains how he actually publicly advocated for and helped build a synagogue in Beirut. Hezbollah is not anti-semitic, just anti-zionist.

[–] creamy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Dude, stop posting no-name propaganda sites like they are a source.

Fact is Hezbollah has been around since the 80s. They started as a Shia islamist militia that committed numerous atrocities during Lebanons Civil War. IT then entrenched itself in souther Lebanon and has been engaging in violence against all manner of groups since then. Including civilians. They've been rocketing residential Israeli neighborhoods for a year

We know what they are and what they believe, we know what they do, and we know why they do it. Nasrallahs lies a worth nothibg, we know what he was. Don't play dumb. A "single state" is code for an Islamic theocracy. They use the language of westerner human rights ideology to fool people like you, and it evidently works

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which link do you consider propaganda? The reddit post where OP maps out all the attacks extensively and with sources? Or the opinion piece that explains Nasrallah's life?

[–] creamy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not going to bore everyone reading this and try to teach you media literacy.

It's a complex, multifaceted, situation. What is not complex or multifaceted is Hezbollahs actions. They just straight up shoot rockets at innocent people. Cmon, man. Nobody benefits from you trying to convince me, yourself, or anybody reading this that they're a bunch of secular progressive angels. They're not. Like it's not an opinion.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I literally just gave you a source explaining why Hezbollah doesn't just shoot rockets at innocent people like you said. If you want to explain to me why the source is wrong, then go right ahead. Every accusation and generalization you made, I was able to disprove with a few minutes of googling. You can't expect me to believe everything you say without even trying to back it up.

[–] creamy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In "a few minutes of googling" I could find anything, that really doesn't mean anything. Needless to say reputable information does exist, and you are currently not posting it.

Again, since the 80s. Trying to claim Hezbollah are anything but violent jihadists is friggin laughable.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Like I said before, I've given you my reasons on why I think the way I do. You have not returned the same courtesy to me. All you've done is make baseless claims and allegations without actually telling me where they come from. And when I say "Hey, I think you're wrong and here's why" you don't even bother with looking at it. I don't expect you to go over it all, but at least take a look. You just dismiss it as propaganda with little to no actual effort to understand what I'm trying to say. I've literally given you documented actions and events to support what I'm saying and disprove what you say. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. Your entire argument is simply you saying "They're evil, trust me bro". I think I'll trust what I see and read over what you say, thank you very much.

Edit: I also want to point out that at no point did you seem interested in even acknowledging the evil that Israel has been doing in both Gaza and Lebanon. You just seem all too eager to justify their atrocious actions by saying "Yeah, but Hezbollah bad". If I had to label one group as bad in this conflict, it would be Israel.

[–] creamy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's nice. You posted bullshit, I called it bullshit. I'm sure on your super deep and intricate google search you encountered proof of everything I said. Go look again.

Your opinions on Israel don't matter. Hezbollah are, again, violent jihadists. Fuck them. They want to kill me. Why would I kiss their ass like you do?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Calling it bullshit without explaining why it's bullshit doesn't automatically make it bullshit. This shouldn't be a difficult thing for you to understand or wrap your head around.

Why would Hezbollah want to kill you?

[–] creamy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But I thought you had google, the fountain of truth?

Hezbollah are violent jihadists. They want to kill most people. Again, not a matter of debate. Get over it.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And looking over the internet led me to the conclusions I showed you. Once again, if you think I'm wrong, then feel free to tell me why you think that way. But you repeatedly saying I'm wrong doesn't just magically make it so.

[–] creamy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You didn't look very hard then

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Where should I have looked?