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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

BBC: "celebratory gunfire" in Beiruit.

What a fucked up part of the world.

Edit: the celebratory part isn't fucked up. The doing it by shooting guns in the air is.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean I get where you're coming from but you can't honestly expect the people of Lebanon to be sympathetic to the Israeli's given the events of the past 2 weeks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not the celebration. It's the celebratory gunfire.

By all means, celebrate. Maybe don't do it in a way that can hurt other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh. Yeah, I agree with you. My bad, misinterpreted your comment.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Sorry. Edited to clarify.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

If you want me to claim that the U.S. is not also a fucked-up part of the world, you have come to the wrong person.

[–] twinnie 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Hezbollah have had this coming, they fired rockets at Israel on October 8th. So not because of what Israel was doing to the Palestinians, but in support of what Hamas did on October 7th.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

As long as Israel is occupying land, they are in constant state of war

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

You understand October 7 was hamas response to Israeli settlers continually invading and stealing Gaza land, right?

This did not "begin" October 7th.
Israeli settler terrorists are just as bad as hezbollah.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Hezbollah has stated that they fired those rockets in solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Source

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (25 children)

The moment the first news dropped on October 7 it was clear Israel was to retaliate with a bloodbath and they started bombing Gaza the same evening. If Hezbollahs goal at the time was to make use of the situation, they would have went for an all out attack while IDF was in disarray.

The goal was to increase the pressure on Israel for reaching a cease-fire agreement through keeping their northern settlers out of their settlements, rendering the region economically inactive and the settlers angry at their government.

It seems like no one anticipated this to go into a yearlong war. Initially Hamas seemed to have aimed to reach a ceasefire quickly through a hostage exchange deal, but Israel put genocide over having their hostages return alive.

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[–] creamy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I can't bring myself to mourn for people like Nasrallah. That said things are undeniably going to get a lot worse for everybody before they get better.

I don't see any indication of a reasonable end goal from Israel. They've remained uncommitted on an exit strategy from Gaza and opening a front in Lebanon rather then helping the security situation is as likely to get them bogged down in a quagmire. From what I can gather anyway they're just going balls the wall trying to eliminate as many of Iran's proxies as they can before they bow to international pressure like they historically have whenever things "escalate" too much

Wars have to end. If you go into them without an exit strategy they will backfire. Right now Israel's government seems more concerned with keeping Bibi out of jail then it does with crafting any sort of humane way out of this mess.