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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 185 points 2 months ago (6 children)

This stood out to me. Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win? Anyone at all?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 106 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win? Anyone at all?

That question is awkwardly worded, why are you putin it that way?

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 68 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just not russian to any conclusions

[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tsar right to know if he’s compromised.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Moscows are fat. Trump is fat. Coincidence? Probably not.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] danciestlobster@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Fun fact: at his mother's deathbed, Stalin reportedly told her that he had "become something like the Tsar". Perfectly accurate FWIW.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 61 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

What is confusing to me is why would it matter to Putin if Trump lied here? The Russian mode of government is lying and deception after all.

Does he actually think that his voters want Ukraine to lose? Oh fuck, do his voters actually want Ukraine to lose?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They've been listening to the Russian trolls and bots.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

And bought and paid for Tim pool

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Their line isn't that Ukraine should lose, it's that America shouldn't give them money while homeless vets, Ukraine is corrupt, biden crime family, nato expansion, etc. Which coincidentally are all Russian talking points.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Half the big right wing youtubers are getting paid by Russia.

Yes. They want Ukraine to lose.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

I remember when Russia did go in, briefly Fox News was full of editorializing that Russia should get to have Ukraine. They at least tried to got full on pro-Russia when they thought the narrative might fly and Ukraine was going to just get conquered in a week or so. Clearly they were trying to set things up for blithe acceptance for what Russia had done and for the world to move on (until next time).

I think that between the prolonged conflict and the fact that their boomer audience actually may still be inclined to remember their cold war feelings that this won't fly, that they backed off to less aggressively calling for complete Russian victory. But as seen here, there's still a theme of making it clear that you're ok with whatever outcome, leaning toward "but should we spend our money?" to undermine things rather than calling for a pro-russia outcome outright.

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder if a big part of the reason is just the whole phone call about Biden and subsequent impeachment, and how Zelenskyy wouldn’t play ball and the whole thing damaged Trump’s ego in a big way. So even if it’s politically advantageous in every way to say you want Ukraine to win, Trump is incapable of doing so.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

The whole reason he tried to keep weapons from Ukraine was because he was given instructions by Putin to make Russia's planned invasion easier.

Trump being Trump, he tried to extort some political favors or of Zelenskyy first, but clearing a path for Putin was always the goal.

[–] Baggins 2 points 2 months ago
[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago

Do we know of anyone who Trump might be worried about upsetting if he said he wanted Ukraine to win?

Yes, I think there's this one man, Trumps big idol, I think his name was Vladimir the war criminal Putin.