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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What if isekai waifu trash, but also packed with a casus belli :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: scene in the first episode for the hogs to get off to and also to morally justify a fascist genocide campaign running for the entire duration of the story? :scared-fash:

Plenty of college papers were written about Shadow Government Liberal Magic Eugenics Cops as well as Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will, not to mention Mein Kampf and even that economy toilet paper package known as Atlas Shrugged, so this doesn't really surprise me.

Disclaimer: I'm not condemning all college papers written about ideologically horrible cinema/literature, I'm only saying it doesn't surprise me that sufficiently famous trash such as that gets college papers written about it, regardless of whether the writer of such papers likes the fiction or not.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And like the most sordid of incantations, you summoned its apologists.

[–] ssjmarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The curtains are blue!

The curtains have a swastika on them.

No! They're just blue! Not everything is political!

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The writers of the slop said that the goblins don't count as people. That makes genocide okay and if you criticize the fiction you are a moral scold! :frothingfash:

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Here, in this thread, some people were entertained by the slop therefore not only can there be nothing ideologically wrong with a genocidal power fantasy against otherfied beings (which according to the Thermian Argument don't count as people and therefore can't be subjected to a genocide :morshupls: :scared-fash: ), but surely criticism of such genocidal power fantasy is itself morally wrong because they take it that personally when their slop is criticized.

I'm tired of the same handful of toxic fans here and arguing with them goes nowhere. I'm glad other people argued with them first while I was away because they can, have, and will continue to use solipsistic bullshit arguments so they can never, ever, feel bad about the slop they consume. :wall-talk:

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

morally justify a fascist genocide campaign running for the entire duration of the story

I havent watched nor read it but according to the 1st chapter, arent the goblins inherently evil mindless beasts like the demons in doom? So technically isnt it not a genocide to slaughter them? Because in this case they are a fantasy enemy which represents the idea of evil right?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Did you know that they were written to be inherently evil to justify a heroic genocide? Really makes you wonder why the author wanted to justify such a thing

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They are, not that that is going to stop the same usual nerds from getting big mad about it being fascist slop or whatever

I want to read some Dungeons and Dragons shit where the characters make use of real world physics intersecting with in universe magic to Do Cool Shit. Goblin Slayer has that, and does a good fucking job of it. Connecting a teleportation scroll to the bottom of the ocean to use the water pressure like a laser? Cool. Using flour as a fuel air bomb? Hahaha cool. Sorry certain people are too fucking obsessed with their hatred of media and media tropes to appreciate it because they think the only Good Media would have the main characters idk building communism with the goblins

I almost want to write some parody shit where I basically take one of the posts criticizing "the settler colonialism of [whatever isekai Nerds Mad About]" and transpose everything to being about, idk, Ghostbusters. Are the ghost busters not a proto fascist escapist stand in for the viewer? Are the faceless, 'evil' ghosts not merely stand ins for the colonized indigenous, encouraging the viewer to Do a Genocide? Idk i think it's a good bit. You can't enjoy Ghostbusters anymore, sorry sweaty

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Waitwaitwait hold on a second.

So, first of all- you're free to consume problematic media. Reading Mein Kampf or The Turner Diaries doesn't automatically turn you into a Nazi, otherwise we'd have a lot of right wing political graduate students. The only danger these books pose are to those who uncritically accept the author's ideas, and I'm sure there'll be no problems on that front given the general media literacy of people in the anglosphere. If you think there's cool stuff in the show by all means enjoy it.

But Goblin Slayer was written for someone, by someone, to communicate something.

Why are the goblins cunning enough to set traps and ambush people, but too stupid to engage in diplomacy or have their own culture? Hmmmmm, I dunno, my dude Umberto Eco has something to say about that. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” I dunno, seems pretty sus to me...

Why does it open with graphic rape? Oh haha those whacky Japanese and their strange cultural perversions, that's it, it's totally not that fear of sexual assault has a long history of being used to justify racism. It's not as if historically minorities have been lynched on trumped up charges of sexual assault. It must be because the goblins are ontologically evil, the author's not trying to draw some equivalence or something.

If the goblins pose that much of a danger to people, why do the powers that be leave them alone? Why isn't there an organized response by official to deal with them? Why do the powers that be actively suppress information about goblins? Can't possibly be anything to do with conspiracy theories about how the the media in the real world suppresses the real crime statistics that show minorities in a bad light, right? Can't possibly be so that the big, strong MC has to take things into his own hands, go all 'lone wolf' and enact all that cool improvised violence, right? Gotta be a real big damn hero. Oh here comes Eco again: “in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

The answer to the above questions, of course, is because the author wrote it like that. So the next thing we need to ask is why. Who could this story possibly be for? I hope I gave sufficient inferences through the sarcasm.

When people criticize art, they aren't attacking you as a person, they're attacking the ideas presented in the texts. I'm not trying to wokescold people into enjoying only Good Communist Approved Media. Me, personally, I call shit like Goblin Slayer out because I'm the fucking minority in question who racists will call a goblin and say deserves to be genocided, "just like in my le ebin animays". Because the spread of and acceptance of these ideas in the wider culture without pushback is just one more drop in the bucket towards fascism, so I'll point out all the ways in which a show like Goblin Slayer promotes far-right ideas and talking points in the vain, pointless hope that people who watched the show and didn't realize it actually think about what the show is trying to say, and maybe they realize how those messages can be dangerous because too many people are uncritical of the media they consume.

Ask yourself: why do racists 4chan shitheads stan this show so hard?

P.S. Ghostbusters? Really? The movie about how Reagan era deregulation is good actually, where the villain is the EPA and attempting to enforce environmental regulations is what causes the most problems?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one is immune to propaganda, and in this thread, we can definitely see that with toxic fans that outright refuse to even acknowledge propaganda elements (including fucking genocide apologia) in their slop. If they did, they might feel bad. The slop must be totally harmless and all critics must wrong and stupid or else they might feel bad. :morshupls:

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Anime was a mistake :miyazaki-laugh:

[–] ChapoChatGPT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

great post

i'm regularly shocked at the supposed unwillingness of self-described leftists to read. your comment is a 2-3 minute read at average reading speed.

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I spend my time to engage in good faith and this is all you got? tl;dr?

Fuck it, here's the tl;dr: why do racists 4chan shitheads stan this show so hard?

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck it, here’s the tl;dr: why do racists 4chan shitheads stan this show so hard?

Idk dawg I literally don't care what 4chan nerds like, it does not matter to me. Makes me think of the Republican/Democrat duopoly and how all Americans view everything in that context. Ahhh the fascists like it, must be fascist!

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ahhh the fascists like it, must be fascist!

In your opinion, why do you think Hexbear doesn't stan this show? Partisanship? Virtue signaling?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

You have the patience of a saint

:rat-salute:

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there are like 5 nerds here who think too hard about shit like the big wall of blah blah media literacy i just got from someone else. Someone wanting to write some shit about killing goblins and isn't really thinking too hard about it, just like the people consuming that content, that's just beyond the realm of probability and it must be this fascist dogwhistle propaganda vehicle, lol.

I'm getting these walls of text about how goblins are real world minorities and goblin slayer is the KKK or whatever like my brother in christ it is a goblin it is a fantasy creature it's not like they're fucking coded like the goblins in Harry Potter, like that's actual use of goblins as racial allegory

Don't feel like you gotta write more words at me it's pretty pointless isn't it

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, so you think a minority of posters on Hexbear are over-analyzing the show and are seeing Nazi ghosts where there are none. Ok.

it’s not like they’re fucking coded like the goblins in Harry Potter, like that’s actual use of goblins as racial allegory

Why do you think the goblins in Goblin Slayer aren't coded like the goblins in Harry Potter?

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think the goblins in Goblin Slayer aren’t coded like the goblins in Harry Potter?

Perhaps because they are fantasy monster and in the case of goblin slayer not meant to be a racial stand in for a real life minority but instead are, you know, a fantasy monster

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are the goblins in Goblin Slayer fantasy monsters, but not the ones in Harry Potter? After all, aren't they both goblins?

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Perhaps because they are ~~fantasy monster and~~ in the case of goblin slayer not meant to be a racial stand in for a real life minority ~~but instead are, you know, a fantasy monster~~

You can point to harry Potter goblins and say that they are clearly an anti semitic caricature

What are goblin slayer goblins meant to represent? Is there some specific ethnicity there? Ah, curious.

"They're an Other!" okay so basically you don't want any humanoid monsters involved because any Other is automatically some sanction of real world racism

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This is a waste of both our time

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

What I'm asking is why are you so sure that the goblins in goblin slayer aren't meant to be a stand in for a real life minority? Why do you identify the ones in Harry Potter immediately as an anti-semitic caricature? What is the difference?

I don't feel like I'm wasting my time.