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I am once again encouraging people to use /c/shitreactionariessay on grad. Also, spicy hot poorly concocted take incoming. (This is not directed at OP but more people who hate Rule 8)
The reason rule 8 exists kind of bears itself out to me in shitreactionariessay: no harsh to whoever runs it, but the comm is just a deluge of crap. It's a race to the bottom for whoever can dredge the dumbest and most incoherent takes riddled with slurs on the Steam forums or whatever garbage hole.
Now sure, if Rule 8 didn't exist and thedunktank had this type of thing users could just block the comm, but: what if we just don't have a firehose of garbage as a comm? The dunks are more fun when someone has a quasi-coherent position to dunk into the sun, the dunks are more fun and considered when you can take apart their brainworms instead of just another g*mer yapping or whatever. Low hanging fruit by nobodies on reddit or other places does not make for stimulating posts or replies.
To be very fair, I don't see a lot of utter garbage get removed under Rule 8, this is not to accuse anybody of poor posting. I think it's probably worth it to maintain a high standard of dunk anyway though.
Is this what the dunk tank was before rule 8? Is that typically the kind of content removed under rule 8? Or is it just normal dunk tank content which would be allowed if the number next to the text was higher? Be honest.
Yes, absolutely. Dunk tank content removed under rule 8 (and even before it was formalised) is always some random irrelevant take posted by a nobody with no platform, of which there are literally hundreds of millions on the internet. I think the most notable posting we've ever even had to actually think about whether rule 8 applies is some small time twitch streamer with under 1000 followers who posted something racist on twitter.
The goal of rule 8 is and has always been to limit the absolute dogshit takes that random bluesky accounts nobody's heard of, shitty YouTube commenters, or bad Facebook posts made by some random guy you used to work with 5 years ago.
The intention is to allow for the picking apart of posts made by people with a reasonably large platform or even vague association with the levers of power, without having to wade an endless supply of boring bad takes from nobodies in order to find something worth dunking on.
The rule has been explained multiple times, your disagreement with the rule does not make it unclear.
We are literally just wasting time by shitposting on the internet. I don't see why we need to have any sort of standards at all. This is just mods being busybodies for the sake of being busybodies.
the_dunk_tank becomes a hell-hole of slop? Great, let the piggies feed. There are like 1000 active users on this site, it'll be fine.
hexbears will critique american's shit taste in movies and then beg for the same kind of worthless slop for their hexbear feeds
It is not looking good for some of my comrades
also they could literally go to the lemmygrad comm idk
apparently that type of monumental effort just is too much for some
I can sympathise somewhat with the "only browse local" thing, I browse local 99% of the time, but if a federated instance's comm had something I wanted that wasn't on my instance, I would just... go there, instead of starting a Protracted People's Posting War
idk just spitballing
nah too reasonable a solution, time to post
The slop trough is open right now at /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml
I encourage you and everyone else disappointed by rule 8 to subscribe there.
You have been on this site for two years and have four posts, none of them in the dunk tank. Booty has been on this site for four years and has 20 posts, none of them in the dunk tank. Why the hell do you care if people are allowed to do low effort posts on the dunk tank? Neither of you actually post!
Wait, he never even posted once in the /c/the_dunk_tank? Okay, now this thread is really really funny.
Not even once!
posting olympics lets go
I definitely wouldn't go against you
Not everyone is a power poster love
Not the person you're replying to (looks like they got banned for what they said in this thread) but I fit the same bill, being someone who hasn't posted there while still thinking rule 8 is just a bad rule that doesn't improve the site but detracts from it. I like to read the things posted in the dunk tank, including posts that I have seen removed for rule 8. I also like to read the modlog and it's the only reason I know about some threads that got removed, threads with lots of comments, none of which were complaining about the source of the dunk, and that I really enjoyed reading and would have liked to have seen continued to be discussed.
In addition to threads I only knew about because of the modlog, there have been a bunch of times now where I was reading a dunk_tank thread and went to respond but couldn't because the post got removed between the time I opened it, read through it, and tried to comment. There have also been a couple times where I was considering making an actual post there but didn't because I didn't want one of the only times that I do make a post to end up getting removed. There was even a time when someone else (a mod at that!) ended up posting the very thing I had been considering posting.
Not to say that you can't have an opinion if you don't post in the dunk tank, but those two were going so hard on this thread I thought for sure they were mad because some of their posts were removed from the comm or something
I don't know, I kind of get why they are going hard about it. When a website is a community that takes up a significant part of your day, attention, and thought, it's almost impossible not to have strong feelings about how it's ran and how you're allowed to use it, even in principle. I don't have really strong feelings about it myself, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't irk me quite a bit, especially when it seems like all the time I'm either seeing posts not getting removed that the rule definitely applies to, and simultaneously good posts with quality commentary getting removed just because the initial dunk was on some nobody reddit dork.
Well by that logic we shouldn't have any moderation at all
Why exactly does posting have to be praxis and how is making fun of an Elon Musk tweet praxis, im begging you to explain this
It's not about being praxis; it's about the quality of content.
And it's also about not spending all your time finding every last person who said something that sucks. It's not healthy to do that shit.
Okay, well, that's what it sounds like when the posts have to be about someone "near the levers of power." If it is not about that and is instead about the quality of the posts, I ask once again the question. Why is a picture of an Elon Musk tweet inherently a higher quality post than a picture of a tweet by someone with fewer followers?
because its fucking elon musk, a person people know and have an effect on real world policies and a vast amount of people
vs an actual nobody
you need to stop, you're reaching into the nonsensical in order to argue at this point
This is literally not an explanation, you're just repeating the assertion I questioned. I could make just as valid an argument the other way around. Posts of Elon Musk tweets are inherently low quality. Why? Because it's fucking Elon Musk. Also I have an even stronger argument, it's because I can go see Elon Musk tweets any time I want by typing www.twitter.com into my address bar. It is higher effort and higher quality to post things that I would not otherwise have found
Bruh quit it with the Redditor ass debate pervert shit.
I find this site generally misanthropic and would prefer that that be confined to public figures at least.
Do you seriously not understand the difference between some 0 follower twitter account and dunking on Elon fucking Musk?
We can just post the low hanging fruit to shitreactionariessay on lemmygrad.
Such a weird hill to die on.
Posting isn't praxis, nor does it need to be. You can quit JAQing off and "begging for an explanation" now.
It's pretty clear at this point that no amount of explanation is going to be sufficient for you given the way you've continued to antagonize both moderators and everyone else who has tried to clarify the situation to you in this and previous threads.
Didn't there used to be a rule in dunk tank require OP to provide a well-thought explanation? What happened to that? That would improve quality.
No but it's what shitreactionariessay seems to be. I acknowledge that here:
and here:
I'm not in love with people asking me questions answered by the comment they're replying to. Kind of silly having to quote Myself, 10 Minutes Ago.
Right, exactly. The questions were not a request for information but a demonstration of the facts so we can be on the same page. The dunk tank has never been garbage like the lemmygrad comm. This is because hexbear users are better posters than lemmygrad users and why I don't want to go use lemmygrad instead of hexbear. If they implemented rule 8 on lemmygrad it would not make the posts better.
Woah, is that lemmy sectarianism? I wouldn't pass judgement on all lemmygrad users that way.
Anyway here is a useless lawyer who is basically a nobody, here is a nobody bluesky user, here is a bunch of random tumblr replies. Since you seem to demand evidence that rule 8 is required. These are nobodies, not good posts. I happen to think Rule 8 would improve shitreactionariessay dramatically, Rule 8 aside they are the same comm.
Quantity of post doesn't make up for quality posts, you ******* ****!
Yeah it certainly felt like that's what the dunk tank was.
Well, I don't think so and the person I was talking to doesn't think so, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to discuss the situation from that perspective.
Well I think so, so it seems reasonable to discuss it from that perspective
I don't really recall Pre-rule 8 dunk tank being like this at all but I guess that's just me