autismdragon

Yeah I know what you mean with that last part. I try to understand where libs are coming from and sometimes that can lead to my fellow leftists being offput.

Im getting this feedback a lot so I think it came off as an insult because of my RSD.

say ALL democrats gave a standing ovation, just that Democrats did.

"The Democrats" to me implies all, but I can see how this would have been a misunderstanding.

They weren't absent because they're vocally opposed, they just weren't there so that 'fact' doesn't change anything.

Most of them did make an official anouncement of why they werent attending. I saw a bunch of them on, of all places, Chen "lifetime bitch" Weihua's account. I just wasnt really that impressed with the specific rhetoric and reasons they used, as I mentioned in that reply in the screenshot.

Alright. I can see what you mean with that. I'll try to be more cognizant. I generally have trouble understanding situational awareness and tend to just comment whatever I'm thinking.

Well, I still think the distinciton is material, but I at least understand your perspective, thank you.

Yeah I think my later "especially longstanding users" should be more like "specifically longstanding users". Obviously we dont want to assume good faith from a new account lol.

I mostly take this well and think its good analysis but

and with all respect, your counterpoint in the screenshot is liberalism.

I dont get this. I dont get how the truth is liberalism. Half the democrats weren't there and objected to Netanyahu's speech for various reasons. Thats just a fact. Why are facts liberalism? Shouldn't we value truth? I'm missing something.

Thanks comrade.

, shouldn't you give your comrades the benefit of the doubt you yourself desire?

I mean their response was explicitly a dunk, unless you mean I should have given their original post the benefit of the doubt. In which case yeah I can maybe see that looking back. But I still think some degree of understanding of why I would want to correct that would have been appreciated.

This is partially a RSD thing, I dont like responses like that becuase it makes me feel like shit. Like I did something wrong.

Whether you like it or not they don't see your vote as an endorsement of the marginal differences, they see it as an endrosement of everything they're doing, including that genocide thats going on.

Why don't you care about any of the people in America?

As a disabled person living off federal benefits, with a transgender girlfriend living in a red state, I'm literally got skin in the game personally, so don't tell me that I don't care about people living in America. The problem is there is an active genocide going on and the Biden adminstration, including Kamala, are supporting it.

If you think the parties are the same on foreign policy but the Democrats are better on all the thing I mentioned, doesn't that still mean the Democrats are less terrible?

I dont think they are materially better on the things you mentioned on the federal level as I mentioned in another post. The best they've done is nice sounding words. Another thing you forgot to mention btw is immigration, on which Biden has somehow managed to be materailly worse than Trump lmao. So theres that too.

and I would very much like to have an option that wasn't, but I don't, do I? I have to chose between the options given, and as bad as they are they're clearly the less bad option.

You have options that aren't that and they all involve doing literally any political thing other than voting. I literally don't care if you decide to vote for Kamala, especially if you live in a swing state. Just please, god, take your eye off electorialism because it won't save us.

outlaw trans people

What, materially, other than nice sounding words, has Biden and federal-level Democrats in general done to counteract what is happening to trans people in red states right now? What indication is there that Democrats care to do anything for trans people on a federal level? On the state level, sure, there's been some action to make blue states sanctuary states and such, but federally?

abortion, birth control,

Again, what have Biden and the federal level Democrats done about this? Did they codify Roe while they had the chance? Did they pack the courts so Roe couldn't be overturned? Did they build abortion clinics on Federal land? Or did they just, yet again, say nice words?

end unions

Biden literally broke a strike lmao. Personally, by his own hands. One of the few proactive things he has done in his whole presidency is to actively break a strike.

end democracy

We already don't live in a democracy. Youre choice is between outright facism and pretty damn close to fascism, and in most places in the country you dont even get to contribute to that choice.

and otherwise just be totally as bad as Republicans

On forgein policy and economics? Yeah pretty much. On social issues? Democrats will say nice words but, again at least federally, not materially do anything.

Roe v. Wade certainly would have still been overturned if the election in 2016 had gone the other way, too, right?

2016 is in the past and you learned the wrong lesson from it. 2016 taught us that running a shitty milquetoast war criminal neoliberal candidate that noone other than wine moms likes against fascism (and pied pipering him as the nominee because you think you can beat him in the process btw!!!) doesn't work. And again, both Obama and Biden could have codified Roe and didn't. And Biden could have packed the courts to prevent the overturn.

All in all, electorialism won't save us. And the violent solutions you wanted to avoid in your first post are actually our only way out of this mess. But they need to be organized.