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In Putin's Russia, even the chips defect.
this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2024
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Shots fired!
Unfortunately, they blew up in the tube, killing poor Ivan.
That time was on purpose, the ship's officers were trying to defect. KGB operative planted as a cook got a medal
I feel like they could almost make that into a movie
The future's looking bright for those Russian knock-off Steam Decks.
Apparently, exploding television sets were the leading cause of fires in Russian apartments in the 80s and 90s (per Adam Curtis' TraumaZone). Except this time you're literally holding it.
The handheld claymore that entertains you
Yet another sign of Russian economy booming!
Since Putin and the trolls here on Lemmy claim that the Russian economy is booming, this must mean that Russian chip manufacturing sucked even more before Russia started using torture, rape and mass murder to try to invade Ukraine.
Note the "try"... Because, damn do they suck at invading other countries too....
If you care about Ukraine, you should start taking this more seriously. Outside of your echo-chamber, Russia has proved resilient to sanctions and their ability to manifacture vital military goods in some crucial areas outpace the west, and by far outpace what is avaliable to Ukraine.
The much hoped for ukrainian counteroffensive yeilded nothing, and instead Russia is slowly gaining ground, allthewhile expanding its army with new, fresh units and learning to work with or around their shortcomings. Ukraine doesn't have anything to put its hope to other than simple endurance. And that's something that Russia has always had a lot of. The outlook is grim.
Ukraine needs support
There are two important sides to this and you are only focusing one of them.
One is of course supporting Ukraine, as you point out, but what is also extremely important is not to let Russia get away with their obvious bullshit propaganda.
Russia is working hard on getting rid of the sanctions. One of the main tools used are to try to get people in the West to believe to Russian economy is unaffected.
It is not.
(If it was, Putin wouldn't fx deal with North Korea like they've been doing the last year.)
So if no one was calling out Putin and his useful idiots on fx Facebook or Lemmy, how long do you think the public in the West would support Ukraine?
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Russia has proved resilient to sanctions and their ability to manifacture vital military goods in some crucial areas outpace the west
Thats cause companies didnt leave like they should have, they just changed their local shop names. And they will never be held accountable for it.
Its also cause countries, like Poland, are still trading with Russia.
manifacture vital military goods in some crucial areas outpace the west
Artillery rounds. Russia has done a good job keeping up with demand. The news says they are almost out but just keep going.
I support Ukraine but I was shocked at Americans limited production capabilities for artillery rounds.
correct me if I'm wrong but I think we do a lot more close air support then artillery anymore so I'm guessing that's why but I'm just guessing here
edit: spelling
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~~That's a part of it. The other part is that Ukraine wants our out of date stuff. The artillery rounds that we produce for ourselves aren't the rounds we are sending to Ukraine. We haven't manufactured the older generation of rounds for decades, so we are having to ramp up production on products that we discontinued.~~
This was supposed to be a reply to the comment below yours.
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I wonder at your definition of "new, fresh units" that russia is fielding
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Well, whole russia is boom-ing 😁!
Who the hell thinks the russian economy isn't in freefall??
The amount of Russian friendly trolls and useful idiots on Lemmy are impressive... In a bad way.
Yeah, it ruins the experience for me. I hope some day I can feel comfortable recommending the fediverse to friends.
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They are doing ao well they can afford to waste half their chips
I'd like to see some review/benchmark (don't know which chips they're making)
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Here is a joke I heard in Moscow, in the early-‘90s:
Our Soviet computer sector was clearly the best. We built the largest chips in the world!
Only a 50% defect rate? By Russian standards that's absolutely outstanding
Say what you will about Russia, but it had its fair share of amazing scientists.
I wonder if the next generation will rise from these restrictions or have they already been fed as fodder into the war machine?
The brain drain that happened because of this war will take Russia decades to reverse. All the smart scientists got out fast.
The problem is so many talented and gifted young men fled the country as the war began. The UK intelligence agency estimates 1.3 million, those were families that had someone talented enough to work abroad and or had enough money to start over somewhere else. Not to mention the meat grinder...
The UDSSR had a quite good educational system. Communist countries usually had the lowest illiteracy rates
Yeah and they learned that agriculture (like in mother nature) was ruled by politics. Soo good education.
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Average RuSSian engineering
Are they even under 10nm?
FTA:
By 2030, the country's goal is to manufacture chips using a 28nm process technology – something TSMC did in 2011.
That's assuming they really do have no choice but to do all fabrication domestically.
16nm from what I can tell on their Baikal-S
16nm from what I can tell on their Baikal-S
I'm only seeing 16nm from the units produced by TSMC. Do you have something current that shows the domestically produced ones are also of that gate width?
Good call out, I totally failed to recognize that any chip made on a TSMC process isn’t going to be made in Russia. I’m trying to figure out what domestic fabs exist in Russia; from what I can tell Baikal is fabless. I have found an article that states Russia is aiming for a 28nm domestic process by 2027, so I guess their best chips at this point are likely in the 40+nm range. I’m going to keep reading though because I’m definitely curious about this.
Edit: this article paints an even worse picture for them. One of their fabs, Angstrom, had to disclose in bankruptcy proceedings 6 years ago that they hadn’t developed a process better than 250nm dispite licensing Intel 90nm process tech back in 2012.
From what I can tell, Mikron has been able to get a domestic 90nm process and possibly a 65nm process going in their domestic fabs. Sounds like they’re 20 years behind, yikes
Do they need to license intel tech? Can’t they just steal it? I assume no one will enforce that.
Well that licensing deal was 12 years ago. Things were very different before Russia invaded Crimea. Even if they had the ability to design smaller process chips, the machines needed to manufacture those processes are highly advanced and not manufactured in Russia.
All this reminds me of when China was finally able to mass-produce roller-ball pen tips...in 2017! They had been importing them the whole time. In 2012, one of the CCP big wigs threw a fit that in-house roller-ball tips were shit, so the CCP ran R&D for five years to finally introduce it in 2017
Well them Z80s are tricky.
50% of the time it works every time
Bad news from Russia are good news! great to hear that they keep failing :)
So russian. Reminds me what happened to Kursk.
Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit
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