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Russia built the entire Kerch bridge in 3 years. China would rebuild this bridge in 3 months.

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[โ€“] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 76 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And at 10 times the price ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 75 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Of course. What is the point of building infrastructure if politicians and their corporate buddies can't pocket a few billion in public tax money? Can you even imagine such madness as building a bridge at cost and on schedule? Can you even imagine your country not being ten years late and three times over budget when they build, say, an airport for their capital? I can't.

[โ€“] Gojijai@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

10 times?? They wish! See how much UK rail costs compared to Chinese rail: https://youtu.be/i30ZNbG0QQ8?si=Yl71EabwWEVaIJDh

[โ€“] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago

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[โ€“] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Simply say the magic words in the right order "please president Xi, help us rebuild our bridge" and later of course "Biden don't, but Xi do" and presto after the immigration permits are issued you'll have a new even better bridge in 6 months, they'll even throw in a rail crossing for only a little more and no extra time. And be sure to ask about excellent deals on Chinese state rail company rolling stock while you're at it.

[โ€“] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 7 months ago

Reminds me of the time the US gov. took its sweet ass time to build a bridge in Appalachia, the local mayor then wrote to the USSR asking for help.

[โ€“] booty@hexbear.net 57 points 7 months ago

China would rebuild this bridge in 3 months.

Exactly what I was going to say. Yeah, 3 months, if even that. If that's an important bridge I feel like they'd get that shit done before you notice it's gone.

[โ€“] umbrella@lemmy.ml 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

serves them right for keeping my country from industrializing.

its so dumb that they did it to themselves, these morons are starting to believe their own propaganda.

[โ€“] batsforpeace@hexbear.net 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

makes me wonder what kind of stuff will go down regarding construction in LA in preparation for the olympics in 28

[โ€“] besbin@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't be surprised if all the worst stuff that people drumming on about the Saudi's world cup stuff start happening down there. They also have semi legal immigrants working for the lowest bidders with no quasm about sacrificing humans for profits.

[โ€“] MILFCortana@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 7 months ago

Same as last time. Racism. And homeless genocide

[โ€“] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 7 months ago

It's a real shame they can't just ask the Soviet Union for help

[โ€“] erik_houdini@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If something like this happens in New Orleans and damage closes the port for a considerable amount of time, the economic damage would be a black swan event. (อกโ€ข_ อกโ€ข )

[โ€“] KrasnaiaZvezda@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With the Yemeni enforced blockade I was thinking about this too but with the Panama Canal and how it closing could be a massive boost for the Global South by making resource transportation very expensive and such things, but looking at it now it apparently is, or was recently, already being affected by draught losing one third of normal traffic. So I guess anything else impeding or slowing global trade in the next few months could have massive consequences when taken toghether with the other events.

[โ€“] erik_houdini@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago

Fuggggg

Panama Canal closure followed by organizes strikes across various ports in the US combined with failing infrastructure?

Fuck it let's make it Hurricane season too. ( อกยฐ อœส– อกยฐ)

[โ€“] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 7 months ago

The bridge would already be rebuilt and operational in China

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 7 months ago

Time to start asking whether anyone shorted Port of Baltimore stock last week.

[โ€“] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Explain something to me, please, because I am unfamiliar with the locale. The bridge appears to have used a solid concrete strut and steel structure. The ship struck it at (reportedly) 15 kmh. And that was enough to collapse the whole thing. But how? There was a case in USSR of a ship hitting a bridge, and while the circumstances of the crash were different, the bridge itself is much smaller, yet stands to this day.

So why did it fold so (seemingly) easily?

[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

That Soviet ship is 4000 tons, while this one have 115000 tons. Also from what i understand the Soviet ship hit the bridge with fairly light superstructure which got cut off. While this one here just rammed one of the central bridge support with energy enough for it to just crumble and half of the brigde fallen straight down because it lost support and the other half following soon after because losing the balance. It's clearly visible on this video, entire thing just crumpled like house of cards after the hit.

For comparison, photo of that accident in Ulyanovsk, you can clearly see the difference.

EDIT: i looked the Kuybyshev class of those ships and got a fun fact, out of 9 built, 7 are still in service and all under the old Soviet names.

[โ€“] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago
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[โ€“] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A pretty substantial amount of the bridge is still standing, it was the center bit that went down

Also, that ship in the USSR that hit the bridge just hit the span, not the pier. "The span cut the deck house and the cinema hall". The pier is in many ways more fragile, and also more important.

But to answer your question, the Francis Scott Key bridge was structurally deficient. It also didn't have many anti-ship defenses (like dolphins), unlike other bridges. To add on to that, the MV Dali (and most modern container ships) is really heavy, and therefore had a lot of energy, almost all of which got transferred into the bridge. Not many bridges can survive a head-on with a container ship.

[โ€“] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Thank you for the information!

[โ€“] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Burguer Americans say some shit like "anyone can build a bridge that stands, but only an engineer can build a bridge that barely stands". Cheaper is better right?

[โ€“] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly when I was in engineering school we where taught that we where suposed to build things that where JUST about to break (With the 10% safety margin inclided for code complance when applicable) and anything else would be wasteful over engineering

[โ€“] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Youre ready to work at boeing, just forget about the safety margin

[โ€“] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago

I guess when you give yourself regulitory approval the safety margon is waste

[โ€“] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well it directly hit the column, and this was a fully loaded container ship. I don't think any bridge would've survived that.

[โ€“] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 7 months ago

Hmm maybe I'm underestimating the size and mass of the ship in question

[โ€“] erik_houdini@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Keep in mind that the propaganda win here isn't that the bridge didn't survive being hit by a ship. It's that the work safety conditions, and this is on record the company that ran the port or the ship, I can't remember, the work conditions were so poor and the safety so poor and people so overworked that something like this was allowed to happen. And you tie that back in with the trained derailment and the continued overworking of the proletariat.

[โ€“] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 months ago

The ship is fucking

YUUUUUUUUUGE

[โ€“] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

The Soviet ship was about 4000 tons displacement, the Mv Dali was 150,000 tons displacement. Ships have gotten massive over the last few decades so it's possible that the Baltimore bridge could have remained standing after being hit by an older, smaller, ship like the Soviet one.

[โ€“] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah this is fucking pathetic. 10 years to repair one bridge? Are we trying to look like a failed state?

[โ€“] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 7 months ago

As i pointed out in another comment, i for one am used to this, i saw firsthand the stunning efficiency of neoliberal capitalism in building infrastructure projects: https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/31/berlin-airport-opens-10-years-late-and-three-times-over-budget

[โ€“] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FAFO absolutely applies here. Outsource shit to other countries and destroying your own homegrown industry sector turns out to be a horrible idea after all.

[โ€“] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

From the point of view of the finance sector and the stock markets it's not a horrible idea at all. What do they need industry or infrastructure for?