Voters think Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist: poll : worldnews

[–] UnmeltedByRain@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I'll take old over criminal or fascist.

[–] Dreckard@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Especially an old man just restored a chunk of the social safety net. No, it's not enough yet, but Republicans are making sure of that.

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[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The main fear with an old person is the instability it could cause if they grew ill. But the other two options are guaranteed instability. So I think I'll take my chances.

[–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Also keep in mind that trump is basically as old as Biden.

And shows far more signs of being old. (The memory recall test thingy is not something given to someone of obviously sound mind,)

[–] zalack@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah. Strong "one of those things is not like the others" energy to this headline, lol.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago

Yep!

[–] Clairvoidance@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (15 children)

The thing about an old president is that even if he grows senile, there's the entire rest of their administration that generally have the same goals in mind as them.

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[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would too, but like, could not limit it to just those three choices please?

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.

[–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Maybe in the worst funded public school system breakfast ever conceived …

Bacon is a cured pork- usually belly, and typically sliced.

Sausage is a seasoned ground meat… er… product… that might be cured or smoked or not, might be stuffed into casings or not, might (usually, unless specified,) be pork. Or not.

The two products are vastly different. And, in point of fact … Biden and the other two are also vastly different.

You might have had a point if you had said “it’d be like asking if you want cheap sausage or dogs shit.” I’ll let you figure out which is what.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Typical liberal. I’m left of that but thank you for the pedantry. It’s still pork and that goes to the wealthy and corporations, is the point. I’ll let you figure out which group works for the commoners.

[–] julianh@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm leftist too and would love for someone other than old centrist men to run the country but saying Biden and Trump are the same is just ignorant. One is a straight up racist, misogynist fascist who has done irreparable damage to the country, and the other is at least somewhat competent and has enacted policies like the COVID relief stipend and pausing student loan debt payments. Yes, he also is a shill for big companies and should be doing way more. But it does make a difference for millions of people. All you do by treating them as the same is discourage people from voting, and that voter apathy is what got us trump, and could get us desantes. Short of a political revolution, that still is our best way to enact actual change. Plus, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Good politician-bad politician ruse imo. It’s not the age so much as the recorded history. That Overton Window is so right, it’s wrong, now.

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

This is actually what I find funny about conservatives. They paint someone like me as way extreme left anarchocommunist or something and its like. This is rediculous. Im just left of center and the party I vote for is just right of center. Your party is the one so extreme you see center as left.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

for me its more a choice of do you want sausage in your mouth or up your arsehole.

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[–] juergen_hubert@kbin.social 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.

[–] zelet@kbin.social 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And old

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

He's the total package! Like, the kind of package you'd set on fire and leave on a neighbor's porch.

[+] Wigglehard@exploding-heads.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It wasn’t for lack of trying.

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[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Not to diminish that experience. But that also started with people laughing at Hitler all over Europe. Just like we laughed at Trump, our luck is that America seems to be 50/50 not 80/20 like the Nazis benfore WW2.

Hey maybe all America needs is extreme poverty for more people to give in to the strong man logic and we ain't safe.

[–] bobthened 5 points 2 years ago (12 children)

No-one said he is a Nazi, just that he's a fascist. There are multiple different flavours of fascism – it isn't all literally shooting people in the head and ordering thousands of people into death camps, it can be more subtle and insidious than that.

Also worth mentioning that fascism generally doesn't start with the ethnic cleansing and mass murder, it starts with things like; scapegoating minorities, being overly tough on crime, and peddling misinformation. It takes quite a few years for the fascists to gain enough power to be able to enact the kind of policies that are generally pretty unpopular among normal people.

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Your story is moving but the nazis existed before that and before they where in power. Germany was a democracy that became a fascist state. It did not start out with guns to the head. This is what he and others mean when they call him a fascist. Not ww2 fully have taken over fascist but the having barfights with communists fascists before the took over.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm sorry that happened to your grandmother but what does that have to do with that? Parent comment says he is a fascist and never mentions Nazis (though he also happens to be one).

Having a grandmother traumatized by the horrors of war doesn't make you an expert in the politics that started it. Going by your logic, my grandfather fought Nazis in WWII and that makes me uniquely qualified to tell you trump is a fascist that is mostly interested by the capital being a ruler brings him, and that he absolutely endorses the killing of Jewish people and minorities in general, as that bolsters the base that gives him money. Bolstering that base makes them arm themselves politically and personally, giving rise to the current fascist laws being passed in red states and the countless right wing domestic terrorist groups. As someone who would be a target of both of these were I living in the united states, I find your comment to be ignorant and offensive. Trump is a Nazi and you can see him enticing his Nazi voter base to arm themselves with military grade equipment and preparing to wholesale murder liberals like it's going out of style.

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[–] IninewCrow@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's the state of politics that the wealthy elite owners of the country absolutely enjoy

Voters no longer vote for who they want

They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them

[–] Izzgo@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them

Nothing new about that.

[–] Bojimbo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was a lot less worried about Mitt Romney.

[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Romney was a corporate stooge, but at least you knew it was just going to be more rich get richer shit. This new variety is deadset on torturing people instead of just making them poor.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not even best. Many people vote purely against the thing they don't want, rather than voting for the thing they do want.

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[–] holo_nexus@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There has not been a time for ripe in modern times for a strong 3rd party candidate. To bad the whole system is rigged against it.

[–] CoWizard@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

3rd party, on a national scale, is guaranteed to fail in fptp. The only one who wins in fptp is the least hated (of 2) candidate. 3rd party votes just suck votes that could be voted against that most hated candidate

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[–] Falmarri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That time was 2016, which is why gary johnson got so many votes.

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[–] hiyaaaaa23@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Fascist, criminal, or geezer.

Ngl I know which one I’m picking (the old fart).

[–] threeio@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sound about right.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

sample size of 1000 though. you'd think they'd be able to find tens of thousands of people

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[–] lunar_parking@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Totally normal "democracy", working very well. 🙃

[–] Sterile_Technique@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

At this point, I'd be in favor of just asking 9 first-graders what their favorite single digit number is, and granting the position of POTUS to whoever's social security number matches the one they generated.

But, given our current options I'd take a clueless old man over a lucid fascist in a fuckin' heart beat. How is this really being presented as a dilemma? Would you rather have your house a bit too chili, or burn the whole thing down? Sure I don't like either option, but deciding which one's better kinda plays out like those cheesy banking commercials.

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