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Voters think Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist: poll
(www.independent.co.uk)
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I'll take old over criminal or fascist.
Especially an old man just restored a chunk of the social safety net. No, it's not enough yet, but Republicans are making sure of that.
yeah, satan, the no surprise billing is enough for my vote.
The main fear with an old person is the instability it could cause if they grew ill. But the other two options are guaranteed instability. So I think I'll take my chances.
Also keep in mind that trump is basically as old as Biden.
And shows far more signs of being old. (The memory recall test thingy is not something given to someone of obviously sound mind,)
Yeah. Strong "one of those things is not like the others" energy to this headline, lol.
Yep!
The thing about an old president is that even if he grows senile, there's the entire rest of their administration that generally have the same goals in mind as them.
How did that work with tfg and Ronnie?
idk who rumor mk Ronnie is, but presidents assign who is on their team, most presidents assign people who are educated on what they're assigned to, and most presidents receive advice from those people on their topics of expertise in the first place.
Yeah you found the mobile user. “Most” is past-tense, now. But you know, I’m old so I obviously know nothing and haven’t been around to witness watergate and on.
sorry, can you reword to highlight the issue?
I edited the comment.
I mean to say I don't know what you mean with this part
Oh, I see, sorry! What I mean is the days of most presidents receiving advice from educated, and also, being advised by graduates who buy the corporate agenda aren’t exactly “receiving” and what they are receiving is questionable. This is rushed because I’m running late, will be willing to continue later.
Yeah I'd love to hear you elaborate! We'll pin it
Again, my apologies. Was thinking n about this as I worriedly shopped for food and realized I can’t afford to eat!
Reagan had Alzheimer’s, and Nancy governed by astrology.
The “adults in the room” under tfg’s (He who shan’t be named) refused to govern responsibly, with General Kelly not only “losing” migrant children, but also shuttl*
Eta: shuttled then to a private adoption agency in which he was heavily invested, iirc. Idk if this is my device, 503 errors or both! Again, my apologies.
kbin.social has been 503'ing, you're good
Nancy did definitely set Reagan's scheduling with the advice of an astrologer to the extent that the astrologer decided the exact date of the 1985 Geneva Summit, though Nancy partially admits it was a coping mechanism due to the assassination attempt on him, I don't think it's likely that it influenced the actual decisions being made considering that it was only leaked that the astrologer had an iron-grip on his scheduling to the point where they had to be consulted for Reagan to fly anywhere.
As for tfg, yeah, I mean I can't really say much, dude literally hired his son's girlfriend and shit so fair lmao
Though I also think it's fair to say that at least Biden seems to have educated officials where it matters, one of the pros of electing a guy who sees himself as having to do the actual presidential duties 'by the book' and that it hopefully reminds people of what an administration is supposed to be.
This also might be beside the point, but the snopes article on the matter say that there are definitely signs of Alzheimer's during Reagan's presidency according to one of his children as well as a journalist who seemed to imply he would have these sort of 5 minute "where the fuck am i" moments, but that the doctors checking up on him during presidency insisted after he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's that even with the hindsight 'they never detected any evidence that his forgetfulness was more than just that' and 'there was never anything that would raise a question about his ability to function as President,'
I would say that they probably have had ample opportunity to come clean if they were simply trying to make the it seem like the Reagan years weren't a result of Alzheimer's
I hear you! I’m skeptical of the doctors’ claims, wrt Reagan; they may not want to discredit themselves, due or not. And I’ma skeptic in general, since working political memory, beginning with the Watergate debacle (ik it’s biased, but Rachel Maddow had an interesting reminder of the Agnew charges and how DOJ kept him from running, facing multiple charges).
I’m not arguing that Biden doesn’t have credentialed advisors, I’m arguing he’s too far right, and that’s evidenced by his voting record/Ms Hill’s complaints during the Thomas confirmation hearings. A singular recent example is the rail worker strikes, and that he supported industry, this “always been a union guy.” Yeah, in the Pullman Car Company union sort of way (10,000 Men Named George).
Biden is definitely more right than I want him to be, and he might even hide that he's more than that via the appealing to negotiating with the other side (though there are various motivations we can attribute that to, like wanting to highlight the point of the US political system or to show that the other side doesn't want to negotiate)
The unionbusting is definitely atrocious, and I don't really think he could de-escalate anything Taiwan, and the protectionism turns me the hell off, but outside of that I think he's doing good for a guy who was initially invited in as Obama's vice to appeal to the more conservative dems (*simplifying a lot)
The Dixiecrats?! Yep. I’m sorry, I just can’t get behind him (or Kamala). Wasted though it may be, I have to vote my conscience, whether that’s third party or write-in. I just wish (yes, ik) that everyone else who is dissatisfied would do the same.
Pfff I'm sorry I didn't mean dixiecrat i just meant like, 'way further to the center according to the American overton window' democrat type. I would still say he does a lot in terms of not making the country fall apart, does get a lot of deals through that matter for the average American (Build Back Better Act for example), has paved the way so that America definitely gets $15 minimum wage if it continues to go progressive, which I do think means having to get the democrats elected for the near future, as the overton window seems to also be decided by what president is in office (what with hatecrimes rising under tfg)
I definitely understand and appreciate your perspective. “American center” is economically right, ostensibly socially left, and that’s cool; they’re just willing to let us all starve to death on the streets, for “bipartisanship” and business, and that’s a real problem. I mean, Nancy didn’t even want to stop her party from insider trading or even bring it to a vote. These are just one example of a couple of serious issues, but we’ve all seen them wring their hands and claim they can’t do anything. I’m just disgusted with the whole lot.
I would too, but like, could not limit it to just those three choices please?
It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.
Maybe in the worst funded public school system breakfast ever conceived …
Bacon is a cured pork- usually belly, and typically sliced.
Sausage is a seasoned ground meat… er… product… that might be cured or smoked or not, might be stuffed into casings or not, might (usually, unless specified,) be pork. Or not.
The two products are vastly different. And, in point of fact … Biden and the other two are also vastly different.
You might have had a point if you had said “it’d be like asking if you want cheap sausage or dogs shit.” I’ll let you figure out which is what.
Typical liberal. I’m left of that but thank you for the pedantry. It’s still pork and that goes to the wealthy and corporations, is the point. I’ll let you figure out which group works for the commoners.
I'm leftist too and would love for someone other than old centrist men to run the country but saying Biden and Trump are the same is just ignorant. One is a straight up racist, misogynist fascist who has done irreparable damage to the country, and the other is at least somewhat competent and has enacted policies like the COVID relief stipend and pausing student loan debt payments. Yes, he also is a shill for big companies and should be doing way more. But it does make a difference for millions of people. All you do by treating them as the same is discourage people from voting, and that voter apathy is what got us trump, and could get us desantes. Short of a political revolution, that still is our best way to enact actual change. Plus, those things aren't mutually exclusive.
Good politician-bad politician ruse imo. It’s not the age so much as the recorded history. That Overton Window is so right, it’s wrong, now.
So what's the solution? Again, voting is the only real way to get any change done right now, and while it's minimal, I'd rather have a politician that has a minimal good effect vs none at all. The right thrives on voter apathy, they want you to feel like both sides are the same so they can take power, strip away voter rights, and stay in power - exactly what's happening in conservative states like Florida and Texas.
Trust me, I want there to be another option, some sort of large-scale protest or revolution. But in lieu of that, the least we can do is make sure the minimal amount of damage is done.
Everyone who thinks a third party vote is wasted and holds their nose to vote for the establishment candidate could actually try voting third party. Robert Reich endorsed HRC at one time and he currently urges us to vote third party.
Last time I voted third party, trump got elected. So until we at least get something done about the supreme court I'm not doing that again.
Telling people to vote third party in the current political atmosphere is just trying to divide a party's votes. You can say you voted on your principles from as high a tower as you want as the world burns when the worst case scenario happens.
I said everyone has to do it or yeah, we get the hose again and again and again.
This is actually what I find funny about conservatives. They paint someone like me as way extreme left anarchocommunist or something and its like. This is rediculous. Im just left of center and the party I vote for is just right of center. Your party is the one so extreme you see center as left.
for me its more a choice of do you want sausage in your mouth or up your arsehole.
Why is that the option, though? The majority of people who complain about the choices probably know who they'll vote for even if it's not a great choice, but how are these 3 the absolute best our country has to offer? Who's pulling the strings to force this choice down our throats?
In the end, the fault lies with the structure of the democratic process itself. The system of party delegates who then choose the presidential nominee from each political party, the first past the post electoral system by state (instead of a nationwide popular vote system)... These are all ways to effectively make elections in the US less democratic. Looking back at the founding fathers and which social and economic class they represented, the conclusion is that this supposedly flawed democratic system was implemented by design, allowing them to put a hand on the scales and tip the balance of power in their favour. Compare this electoral system with the representative democracy of western European countries for example, and you'll see some differences.
The fourth pillar of American democracy, media.
By buying out news media they control the narrative. Now they're coming for the platforms to control the narrative of public discourse
There's protection for these things from government ownership, because these are how democracy works. If you control the flow of information (or worse, convince them of false facts), you can warp the consensus in a certain directions
One side is advocating all sorts of crazy shit (much of which they don't actually want) and spreading easily consumed nonsense to justify it, and the other side is pointing at them and going "this is who will be in charge if you don't go with us"
This whole thing is a performance - sure, they're actually competing and have slightly different goals, but all this fighting over social issues is just a way for them to act freely on the issues that actually matter. They don't actually care about abortion or trans people, they care about the money.
They just use hot button issues so they can give us a choice between people who are going to lie to our faces and screw us over, and we'll fight each other over them instead of attempting to actually change anything. The effects may matter for us, but no matter who we choose-they'll win and we'll lose.
When someone gives you a false choice, the only right choice is to attack the contrivance that took away your choice - we need to take back our media and organize
Who is "they" in phrases like "they control the narrative" and "they're coming for the platforms"?
Billionaires and corporate overlords.