Work Reform

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I barely spend a workweek doing a day's worth of work, let alone 4.

Right?! Those are some rookie numbers

Whats sad is that most of those jobs are just insanely and intentionally understaffed (and underpaid), which is precisely why they're so demanding.

Those are the first jobs we need to change into 4 hours for 3 days shifts or something. It's dangerous for everyone to work without sufficient recovery

It's criminal how you are all treated because of purposeful under-staffing. Everyone needs downtime. The human mind does not go full throttle for 8-12 hours straight, and I'm well aware you often have longer shifts than that in a hospital! If medical staff had some downtime during their shifts, patient outcomes would improve, and not just by a little bit.

I just posted the same thing. I used to be a bartender/ server and work in retail. You DON'T rest. Not on your own schedule at least

My work is hybrid these days and I have tasks to complete instead of just drink from the firehose of task garbage being thrown my way. I can control the ebb and flow of my workday and slack or be a champion as needed.

Oh, I work 4 9 hour day weeks too. My quality of life is better in every way and i STILL dick around certain days. You probably make a lot more than I do but it's not worth it to get home and have zero bandwidth

It would be better if you were 4 days instead of 5. You'd have better productivity and recovery.

I'm a doctor and intentionally set my own hours to four day work weeks whenever I can, because I run my own practice and can do that. Let's not pretend it's a badge of honour to grind ourselves into a twitching mess.

To be fair, for those jobs the 5 day workweek, as it is known traditionally, has never been true. They were always either doing starnge shifts like 24 hours twice then 2 free days, repeat or working way more than 5 days a week, based on demand (which of course has been increasing since businesses hire less and less for some fuckin reason).

This is exactly my problem as well... We wanted to try a 4 day work week at my factory but they said no because we need to ship things 5 days a week... Except for the fact that we almost never ship more than 1 or 2 things in any given day and they are rarely things that need to go asap... One day wouldn't kill them but they're stuck in the past.

I assure you that "sitting in front of a computer" is less ideal than you seem to think it is

You're a human being, not a human doing. You need and deserve downtime. You are not a machine. You must find a way. If there's a will, there's a way.

People have known it since at least 1999 when Office Space was released. If you're not slacking off at work, especially if you're salaried, you're being exploited even more than usual.

I've put my foot down on Tuesday/Wednesday as my weekend. the past year I'd be lucky to get 2 in a row.

This gives me a functional 4 day week but if I get rostered on Sunday I'm perfectly happy with that kind of money.

It's highly unlikely that any of my dreams would make me wealthy, because they all involve having fun, improving myself, and/or making the world a better place. I think most other people are the same way.

I agree, this is more than whether we work more or less efficiently with 4 or 5 days in the office. The ruling class wants us in our white cages (office walls) for as long as possible so, as you said, they can ensure we can't work on other stuff that truly satisfies us and gives us a chance of generating actual wealth rather than depending on whatever measly income they want us to live paycheck to paycheck on...

I'm pretty convinced these days that generational wealth as a goal leads to exactly this problem. Not that I disagree that we could be using that time in more fulfilling ways, but generational wealth as a construct probably inherently means significant inequality, unless it's some utopian wealth where it's equally shared.

That's why my main goal is to accumulate 'fuck you money'. Right now, I get my tasks done asap and gtfo and if they don't like that, they can fire me if they'd like. If they don't like that all my work flow is smooth and efficient but I leave early or come in late, they can frankly fuck right off... So far I got 5 years worth of living expenses stashed away (my fuck you money stash) but I'm trying to put it in places that it can generate me income in alternative ways so I can flip the script on them and remove any remaining leverage they have on me.

I'm just looking at cats.

They knew this in the 70's along with ubi. Milton Friedman is an asshole.

Yeah I'm hovering at atleast 3 days of nothing, trying to push it to 4..

I for one hope the next generations don’t die behind a desk while the guy you work for is off on a yacht living life like it was 1999.

We been spending most our lives
Livin' in an exploiter's paradise

You think corporations in the US won't put a twist on it? I can see them making it a 4 10s week. They just hate people and want them to suffer as much as possible.

I know what you mean. I spent 10 years as a chef. But i dont fully agree.

Sure, some weeks you would work 6 or 7 days, but others only 4. And when you did work 6 or 7 you often only work a morning or an evening. If i was doing 4 days i would work 3 afd's (all fucking day) and then one morning or evening. Sometimes your days off were split up so you get a few little breaks throughout the week.

If im working evenings i get my whole morning and afternoon to do what i want when i feel my most fresh and energetic. If i work mornings i get all afternoon and evening to do what i want. If im working afd's i get an extra day off to to what i want. Plus early week, monday, tuesday, wednesday was always less busy so you could be cleaned up and out of the kitchen by close (10pm) and alot of the shift could be spent in prep, cleaning, organising and having a laugh with the other chefs and smoking. Lots of smoking.

I work in an office now and i realise that the two are completely different beasts.

My 9 to 5 leaves me with zero energy mentally which affects me physically by making me not want to do anything with my evenings knowing i need to be up early so in bed early. I get my weekends but i spend them doing housework or something else responsible :(

Both job types could benefit from a 4 day work week. We need time to recharge and relax. We are just humans.

Edit: just to add. Life as a chef was hard. Lack of social life, working crazy hours. Bad diet and no discernable sleeping pattern.

Like i said above. They are different but equally exhasting.