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I've noticed a major uptick in Russia scaremongering recently. I think it's lining up with upcoming elections in the UK and US. Usher in the strongmen.

Here's some excerpts from warhawk Daniel Johnson:

  • In the UK, only 18% of millennials would be willing to fight for their country.

In Germany,

  • He {Pistorius} warned recruits in Hamburg that peace in Europe was "no longer an irrefutable certainty" and asked: "Are we seriously ready to defend this country in an emergency?" Raising the possibility of reintroducing conscription, he continued: "And who is this we? This debate has to be had."

Pictured: scum (with an iron cross? It can't be, right? I'm not expert but I'd imagine it's a different symbol)

Then a final absurd note:

  • "But a concerted campaign of rearmament, embracing not just Nato but the entire free world, would demonstrate to Putin, Xi Jinping and leaders of other authoritarian regimes that the West is ultimately invincible."

Cope and seethe

  • "Now it is time to show that the West - including all who share our values - is capable of dealing not only with pirates who threaten trade routes but with dictators who threaten humanity. If we cherish the peace that has prevailed over most of mankind since 1945, we owe it to posterity to prepare for war."

Most of mankind... What a blatantly false idea. Western economic satellites have been in constant war.

  • "The Anglo-American naval action in the Red Sea is a reminder that only the West cares about preserving peace and the rule of law. We are very efficient at dealing with the likes of the Houthis."

We must ensure peace!! How? Spend more money on weapons!! Rule of law! This journalist should be exiled to Palestine with immediate effect.

'very efficient at dealing with the likes of the Houthis'... and then the next suggested article is

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 53 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Go ahead, force the draft on Millennials and Gen Z, and watch how fast we frag our commanding officers. hahaha

Long past are the days when anyone buys that the West is the "free world".

Maybe you should have spent some actual effort in not letting your quality of life plummet at home before you started rattling sabers. Also probably a bad idea to let a plague cripple half of your people.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I want to believe this, but things were even shittier for the average peasant in World War I and yet the imperial powers had no issues drafting millions of soldiers.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Millions of peasants whose idea of war probably more aligned with Napoleonic styles of war than anything like what they actually ended up experiencing . It’s a little different when you can see what modern war looks like in 4k.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a reason WW1 resulted in global revolution and ended with the counter revolution that was WW2 and the "Cold War"

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

That’s a horrendously accurate way to describe that time of history. I’ve never thought about it like that but you’re right. Usually the two wars are described as WW1 and then WW2 being a continuation of that, but I’ve never seen the dynamic of revolution and counterrevolution described before.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

People believed in bullshit nationalism then. Weve had 100 years of seeing that just gets poor people killed

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 9 months ago
[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

things were even shittier for the average peasant in World War I and yet the imperial powers had no issues drafting millions of soldiers.

does-he-know lenin-sure

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

most Millennials are over the draft age (for now) anyway, so long Gen Z, hope you get some good training, you're gonna need it when this shithole country collapses on itself like a dying star.

I just watched that show Extrapolations and the least realistic part about it was that the US still exists (minus Texas lmao) in the year 2068, though just barely, and it is not clear if it still does by the final episode.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They don't draft 30 year olds to do office shit?

Man, poor gen z sadness

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nope, I believe it is 18-26 regardless of role (or at least it was when I burnt my draft card, I'll serve crack before I serve this country). Gotta have young impressionable minds to mold into war criminals.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

If only 18% of a group of people is willing to defend a country, I would say at that point the problem is definitely with the country, not the people.

[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

Aren’t a significant fraction of Zoomers fascist because we never actually solved the social issues which made Boomers fascists?

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have said this on the news mega the other day: there will be a lot of austerity budget coming soon all across Europe this year. Lots of cuts in welfare and social services, education, healthcare, climate etc.

News like this is just to prime the people to accept why their lives are going to be shitty from this point onwards. Blame the evil Russkies. Certainly not the capitalists. (In case this is not clear, yes, that’s fascism in the making)

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just once I’d love for the outcome of this shit to be that they kill all the ghoul journalists that write shit like this and the politicians they’re simping for instead of shipping off to enforce imperialist agenda

[–] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

Hat pin stabbings are harder now that nobody wears hats anymore

[–] someone@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Raising the possibility of reintroducing conscription, he continued: "And who is this we? This debate has to be had."

There's a fuckload of conscription-age people in NATO member states that would also like to ask you "Yeah, who is this 'we'?"

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

Really only those who would be drafted should have a say in whether there's a draft or not. Old fucks who will never see a battlefield should not be able to force others to die for them

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

Europe, currently doing a genocide and kowtowing to the warmongering psychopaths in DC, is just a smol bean who must defend itself by engaging in offensive wars of aggression to defend themselves against their completely encircled generational enemy which has, they insisted ont his, an economy smaller than italy's.

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Fascists will do anything but make their nation desirable enough to care for / honourable enough to die for.

Guys I know the economic and climate situation is so bad that none of you can ever afford to own your own homes and you have to live in mould infested "apartments" (read: house conversions) while getting paid wages that haven't increased since 2010, and if you somehow manage to succeed, your children will have to fight in the climate wars, and we aren't doing anything to make any of this any better, but please 1) get married and start a family and 2) fight my next war for me.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

Ikr, who's going to line up to be vaporized by a hypersonic missile to protect a way of life that's been widely understood to be plastic and fake since the 50's? What's the rallying cry? Dulce et decorum est pro funko pops mori

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

No take only throw but it's no society only die

[–] davel@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the-podcast Episode 13: The Always Stumbling US Empire

"Stumbling", "sliding", "drawn into" war––the media frequently assumes the US is bumbling its way around the world. The idea that the United States operates in “good faith” is taken for granted for most of the American press while war is always portrayed as something that happens to the US, not something it seeks out.

On this episode, Adam and Nima explore the media's commitment to the narrative of "United States as reluctant warrior," whose leadership and decision-making always has the "best intentions." We also examine the new Ken Burns and Lynn Novick PBS series on Vietnam which traffics in many of these tropes. With guest Professor Hannah Gurman.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

Evergreen episode deeper-sadness

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some companies are making a lot of profit in the US, UK, Germany, etc, selling weapons. If more people support the continuation or escalation of the conflicts worldwide, these companies can make much more money.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

again??!??!!?!?!?!?!!!!!

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

currently russia is outproducing the entirety of NATO armaments wise, sure, let's draft the entirety of europe, what are they gonna fight with? kitchen knives?

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

, what are they gonna fight with? kitchen knives?

They'll probably melt the knives down to make weapons at this point

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Bri'ish Dagger Regiment.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The British Army does actually revere a bayonet charge to this day. Throughout all the modern conflicts they've been involved in, there's stories of the command "FIX BAYONETS" being used all over the world. Apparently it still scares the fuck out of people because you know the battle's about to get real tooth and nail.

In WW2 we couldn't even afford daggers at a certain point, so bayonets became giant blunt iron nails.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

"Fix bayonets" is far catchier than "fix railway spikes", but with the current state of the rail industry, at least they could sell those.

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

"What do you mean you view us as all the same asiatic hoard? We fought so hard for the Nazis in WWII to try to earn whiteness"

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

You Will Never Be White

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

only 18% of millennials would be willing to fight for their country.

What % of millennials are still young enough to enlist even if they did want to

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Xi please save me I hate being in the angloid West xi-plz

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Usher in the strongmen.

Is Keith Sturmer or Dishy Rishi the strong man?

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Its probably related to the elections to a degree... but Kid Starver has the same foriegn policy as the tories (not a surprise, given his background). Which isn't too unusual, since the Labour party is often the party of war - usually if they want Labour in (and they clearly do) its to fight a war.

On an anecdotal level, I've attended a lot of job fairs, and I'd say that starting around Covid times, there has been a military recruitment stand at all of them, which is new (at least from my experience).

I asked a colleague (hospitality sector) when the Russia war kicked off, if he'd sign up to fight in the event of an invasion, and he said yes. Then I asked what if it was just London being attacked, and he looked disgusted and said no (this was in the North).

[–] Teapot@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The black cross has been the emblem of the German armed forces since 1956 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross

The balkenkruez is the uniquely Nazi Cross, which you see in Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

Ahhh, I see. Yeah, thought something like that was the case.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

with an iron cross? It can't be, right? I'm not expert but I'd imagine it's a different symbol

It's an iron cross which is still the symbol of the Bundeswehr to this day.

The Iron Cross was a (Prussian?) award given for bravery. Those given during WWI will have a white and black ribbon while those given during WWII have a swastika in the middle of the cross and a white, black and red ribbon. After the war West Germany allowed it's personnel to keep wearing Iron Crosses from the world wars although they issued new ones without the swastika on it. They kept the nazi-era color scheme for the ribbon though. Being a wartime decoration, new awards has not been made since WWII but I recall reading someone talking about reviving the Iron Cross as German troops are one again being deployed to warzones. The Iron Cross became the symbol of the armed forces of the right-wing American puppet state in Germany, and the highest civil decoration of the West German state, the Bundesverdienstkreuz, has the iron Cross as a sort of aesthetic ancestor.

Meanwhile in democratic Germany, the National People's Army used the state emblem symbolising peasants, workers and intellectuals surrounded by a laurel wreath as well as the words "For the protection of worker's and peasant's power".

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

At this point mainstream media is just a neocon fanfiction forum

[–] artificialset@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

when everything is going wrong in a country, there's always war to distract everyone!

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

The only way to beat dictatorship is with Western baced dictatorship. This axiomatic