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ICJ rejects Israel's request for the case to be dismissed. (hexbear.net)
submitted 9 months ago by MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net
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The court finds that there is sufficient basis for South Africa to have filed its complaint at the court, and rejects Israels request for the case to be thrown out.

The court has "taken note" of statements made by senior Israeli officials, including Yoav Gallant's saying that the IDF are "fighting human animals" and President Isaac Herzog's words that "an entire nation out there is responsible" and that there are no "uninvolved" civilians.

The International Court of Justice determines 'at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible, the right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from Genocide'.

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[–] edge@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have some hopium that the ICJ will rule that it is a genocide (but it will probably take a few years), because the statements made by Israeli officials are just too blatant.

Although of course nothing will come of that ruling.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Makes it harder and harder for the US to pretend it gives a shred of a fuck about law. When you're openly fueling an assault the world calls a genocide...

I can't help but always think how Trump is the perfect human embodiment of the US. "I did everything right, and they indicted meeeee."

That's literally the US and Israel throughout all of this. "It was a perfect bombing, folks. Very legal. Many countries, the best countries. Countries. Folks. You wouldn't believe. Some of the best. They're saying "we've never seen such a perfect war. And so legal!" That's what they say. They do. They say it."

[–] edge@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Trump is literally the most American president ever, and he should be the last American president ever.

[–] camaron30@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Half of worldnews is already saying that actually this is Israel's victory while the other half is claiming that the ICJ is Hamas. Lmao.

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. I'm seeing this too in r/israel. It seems like the long term plan is to lay this all at the feet of Ben Gvir and say Netanyahu is blameless.

At best we'll see Netanyahu thrown under the bus too, and put in a 99% Hitler instead. I don't really think this will be an offramp from Israel support generally.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 months ago

The insane thing is that like yeah Bibi IS basically Israel's Hitler. Ben Gvir is akin to his Himmler, maybe. The skilled politician and the ideologue working in unison. Something like that anyway.

Listening to Bibi speak waaaaay back before most of us were born he's always been like this. Literally he's always been a a racist bloodthirsty asshole.

And while it's true that the country is run by absolute ghouls, what do liberals think, that they got there by accident or enjoy no support? Much like the US, you can acknowledge simple facts like the government is full to the brim with evil fuckers, but you have to follow that up with a little bit of "and the population continues to allow it." Not to justify collective punishment. I don't believe in that. But there can be collective condemnation of an entire state, what its citizens let it become, and a wider analysis of external and internal pressures without punishing everyone. If the end goal is justice, which it is for me, and not simple ideological goals, such as establishing and maintaining a permanent US military base/religious/ethnic homeland for one group (depending who you ask), then you can fairly and objectively analyze the situation, condemn people like Bibi, et al. (As they deserve) and then also dig into the actual root of the entire situation and reach the solution (which has already been reached but they reject it, obviously, because they're ideologically driven. Also racist. Which, I suppose, is also an ideology).

It's just annoying because it's like replacing Trump in the US or imagine killing Hitler and then just putting in a new chancellor or Nazi Germany. But changing basically nothing else. You put in "new-Bibi" and what changes? Maybe he's less genocidal, maybe he's more genocidal, but the genocide will continue because the underlying ideology of the intertwining desires of US imperialism to see the MENA region destabilized by Israel and the ideology of evangelicals and some Zionist Jews that "All of Israel must belong to the Jews" and defining Israel by the broadest possible scope remains unchanged.

Put in new Hitler, expect more Holocaust basically. Put in new Trump, expect more degradation of liberal institutions, continuation of MIC, and decline into fascism.

I hate liberals. Everything is "bad guy is bad and did bad things! We must replace him!" And then ignore all the circumstances that led to bad guy being able to do bad things.

Obligatory "we're fucked" ending.

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm slightly surprised the court isn't also running cover for Israel. Is anyone here familiar enough with this to explain why not?

I don't really believe in objective courts generally. Is there some difference here? Are they not subject to bullying from the same countries that mess with other international institutions?

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

with tinfoil hat on:

it gives off ramp for everybody to drop isntreal like hot potatoes

Another possibility is judges have no fucks to give, cause they don't have cushy retirement gigs, they are already in one.

[–] glans@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Not only that but they basically spent 30 minutes reading further evidence into the record. While the ruling itself is not 100%, the premise of the ruling were very certain. There is no ambiguity about what is Israel has already done. They accepted without caveats (like implying hamas might be lying about it) a death toll in the mid 20ks.