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Yeah. I'm seeing this too in r/israel. It seems like the long term plan is to lay this all at the feet of Ben Gvir and say Netanyahu is blameless.
At best we'll see Netanyahu thrown under the bus too, and put in a 99% Hitler instead. I don't really think this will be an offramp from Israel support generally.
The insane thing is that like yeah Bibi IS basically Israel's Hitler. Ben Gvir is akin to his Himmler, maybe. The skilled politician and the ideologue working in unison. Something like that anyway.
Listening to Bibi speak waaaaay back before most of us were born he's always been like this. Literally he's always been a a racist bloodthirsty asshole.
And while it's true that the country is run by absolute ghouls, what do liberals think, that they got there by accident or enjoy no support? Much like the US, you can acknowledge simple facts like the government is full to the brim with evil fuckers, but you have to follow that up with a little bit of "and the population continues to allow it." Not to justify collective punishment. I don't believe in that. But there can be collective condemnation of an entire state, what its citizens let it become, and a wider analysis of external and internal pressures without punishing everyone. If the end goal is justice, which it is for me, and not simple ideological goals, such as establishing and maintaining a permanent US military base/religious/ethnic homeland for one group (depending who you ask), then you can fairly and objectively analyze the situation, condemn people like Bibi, et al. (As they deserve) and then also dig into the actual root of the entire situation and reach the solution (which has already been reached but they reject it, obviously, because they're ideologically driven. Also racist. Which, I suppose, is also an ideology).
It's just annoying because it's like replacing Trump in the US or imagine killing Hitler and then just putting in a new chancellor or Nazi Germany. But changing basically nothing else. You put in "new-Bibi" and what changes? Maybe he's less genocidal, maybe he's more genocidal, but the genocide will continue because the underlying ideology of the intertwining desires of US imperialism to see the MENA region destabilized by Israel and the ideology of evangelicals and some Zionist Jews that "All of Israel must belong to the Jews" and defining Israel by the broadest possible scope remains unchanged.
Put in new Hitler, expect more Holocaust basically. Put in new Trump, expect more degradation of liberal institutions, continuation of MIC, and decline into fascism.
I hate liberals. Everything is "bad guy is bad and did bad things! We must replace him!" And then ignore all the circumstances that led to bad guy being able to do bad things.
Obligatory "we're fucked" ending.