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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 255 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 102 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 108 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

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[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).

Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring

No it doesn't. It just needs a PCB and a microcontroller connected to a CANbus. And that's what we've had for decades.

another BoM item to build the car

I don't really understand this either. Like yes, it is, but if we're taking that approach, why not remove the door panels? And the trunk liner? And that pesky center console? Oh what's that, these are all valuable features of the car?

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 147 points 8 months ago (11 children)

For those that don't want to read the article:

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 129 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:

If I had one of these Tesla cars I'd look into retrofitting the stalks back in.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 81 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you buy a Tesla at this point, you deserve to be stuck with it.

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They might get in trouble with EU laws if they do it here as well...

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 25 points 8 months ago

Gotta love good regulation.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 8 months ago

Holy shit that's worse than how the article put it

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 44 points 8 months ago (11 children)

In Norway, you have to indicate your exit in a roundabout by activating your turn signal, and he found it difficult while turning the steering wheel, which you have to do in a roundabout. A driving student would fail their test if they don’t activate their turn signal in a roundabout in Norway.

He said:

I tested the Model 3, and noticed that I lost both focus and direction in roundabouts. It’s not directly life-threatening, but you run the risk of both driving on curbs and other cars if there are two lanes.

After posting his findings in a group for driving schools, he was met with agreement by many other instructors who said that they experienced the same issue and the risk is much higher with students.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's like car features that have been around for 70+ years are the way they are for a reason.

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[–] hackris@lemmy.world 114 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Why the hell do billionaires keep laughing in our faces? I swear every time one of them or their companies opens their mouth, it's like they're making fun of us, the poor people.

"We care about your privacy" — (they don't) "a turn signal will soon be unnecessary" etc.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving

That's like not including a stick for the manual transmission, because the automatic one is just around the corner.

I wish I possessed this kind of optimism in my daily life :D

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 101 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The new Tesla Model 3 should be banned from the whole of Europe until they put the indicator stalk back. It is virtually impossible to safely and legally traverse a roundabout without it.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How do people indicate without it? Is the car supposed to automatically turn it on once it senses you leaving the lane?

[–] arc@lemm.ee 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

It has little buttons on the wheel for left or right instead of a stalk. Problem is when you're going through a roundabout you're twirling the wheel around so it is almost impossible to to know where the buttons are at any given point in time. A stalk stays put, the buttons are anywhere depending on where the wheel is at. I think this video demonstrates it most clearly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFxbKTEWu8

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

In the article it says they replaced it with force touch buttons but the driving instructors all found the buttons to be disorientating and dangerous on roundabouts whilst trying to turn the wheel. The stalk makes for a mich more fluid and less distracting method.

Tesla believe that no turn signals will be needed once they perfect self deiving cars (likely never....)

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What the fuck is the point of an indicator after you’d already started the action. That light ain’t indicating any more about the driver than the fact that they bought a Tesla after 2022, and that tells you everything you need to know about them.

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[–] hoya@lemmy.ml 87 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, it's not designed with roundabouts, (i.e. road infrastructure designed with logic and common sense) in mind.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 91 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not designed with any common sense in mind. They just figured they could a) cut costs and b) make the vehicle look "cleaner", because Musk and the people who work for him are intellectually incurious morons who refuse to learn why things are designed the way they are before trying to reinvent them.

The thing about breaking the rules is that if you want to really do it well, you have to understand why those rules exist in the first place. That's hard to do when you start from the position of just assuming that you're smarter than everyone else.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (4 children)

i am not sure they even kept the cost down since they had to reintroduce the option of normal steering wheels, this just another case of Musk thinking it looks cool so it should be, but then done poorly because they don't have the engineering expertise to do it properly like lexus did it

This is just another case of Cybertruck shit.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 35 points 8 months ago

It was designed to cut costs and hope fanbois would think it was innovation. It's so dangerous a change it should be banned in countries where drivers are expected to properly indicate while traversing roundabouts.

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[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 87 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Spit my drink up a bit when I read that.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile Teslas are quickly building a reputation of being impossible to repair, so replacing an industry standard component that never breaks for a digital system is a great way to keep the title.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 83 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Leak of Tesla's next-gen Steering wheel:

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What? Physical controls? It'll be a touch screen.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I didn't realize Tesla's even came with turn signals. They must be hard to find because they never get used.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I swear to god Tesla drivers are going for the worst drivers award.

Just let your fucking car drive itself if you cannot.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 62 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Tesla fucking up traditional driving controls only make sense if their self-driving system is working so the driver has no need to touch the steering wheel except in rare case. How good is Tesla's full self driving these days?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago (10 children)

It regularly kills people. It can't be used on a lot of road types (but people still do because Tesla makes no effort to prevent it). It's still marketed as Full Self Driving despite the fact that Tesla has stated on the record that it is, and I quote, "Not capable of driving itself."

They're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Any time it benefits them, they claim that their cars are completely autonomous vehicles powered by the most advanced AI. Any time they get their wrists slapped, they claim that it's an assistive feature like cruise control that cannot and will not ever replace the human behind the wheel.

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[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I am more concerned about why the Witcher 3 is featured on the car's screen. Does it double as a PC?

Edit: Spelling

[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yea, fof models X and S, they have a discrete GPU and can run steam.

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[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tesla has the highest accident rate of any car brand. And Tesla intends to remain number 1 in that regard

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

Rapid acceleration, with your eyes pointed a center touch screen. What could go wrong?!

[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago

They are unsafe in every situation, not just on roundabouts.

[–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Style over substance, and a ugly style at that. Of course lots of people are gonna love it and say it is the best thing ever.

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[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 39 points 8 months ago (13 children)

While in the EU Teslas were already "banned", if you want a proper cat B license, and not just a cat B(78). If you take the test in a car with automatic transmission you get a code 78 license, with which you can legally only drive automatic transmission vehicles.

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[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 8 months ago

they are the most advanced company in cost-cutting. They will put everything in 10 sub menus on the screen instead of costly buttons. And the people are confused, they see big screen they think cool. But having metal physical buttons and crowns with haptic feedback is just on another level 🤤. Especially those crowns where theres a silent click that you feel with every turn. Feels so fricking good damn.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 17 points 8 months ago

Yikes, that is incredibly dangerous. Hopefully, they get recalled to fix that issue. No turn signal stick is going to cause a lot of accidents if people are unfamiliar with the car or are spinning the steering wheel and pressing the wrong button (or no buttons, because it's too difficult).

[–] neuropean@kbin.social 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why is The Witcher featured on the Tesla screen?

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[–] Carter 16 points 8 months ago

Can we just ban them entirely? Horrible cars.

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