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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 144 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 107 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Now this is the kind of critical thinking I strive for. Fuck both of them

[–] bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Most sane discourse I've seen on the Internet so far.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Yes. Both off them.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 66 points 11 months ago (81 children)

Is there a list of Hamas' demands published somewhere? Cause I don't see it in the article...

I'm genuinely curious as to whether it's an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.

[–] Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure the raison d'etre of Hamas is just "death to Israel"

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[–] Chickens@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Number one is the complete removal of Israel always. So highly doubtful.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

That's kind of implied in the concept of hostages, yes.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's only going to get worse.

In a few years you'll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It's an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.

Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don't have anything to lose by fighting back.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Haven't they been living in an open air prison since about 1948? I'm pretty sure they're working on the 4th generation to grow up in those conditions.

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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Like how OP is trying to hype up IDF as if they didn't lose a slew of tanks to some Hamas fighters literally walking in with RPGs and probably being as old and as competently trained as high-schoolers.

Eisenhower and Ford are watching in embarrassment as they use a metric ton of the latest in advanced guided weaponry to deal with an insurgency that only has hostages because Mossad was sitting on its ass for a whole year.

Hamas will get crushed eventually, but I'm surprised they kept up this game for so long with only like 200 hostages. Lockheed's CEO would probably shake hands with their leader if he could for generating such a huge amount of arms sales.

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 13 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Hamas is getting their ass kicked.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago (16 children)

The outcome was known before the attack took place.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah by martyring them. Shortsighted policy.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Well I guess we'd better just give them everything they want

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (41 children)

Just to explain: Their demands are mainly loosening the blockade (which is a humanitarian crisis in its own right) and freeing ~~hostages~~ Palestinian detainees.

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