This is why we keep the "critical" in "critical support", comrades. What a hellworld we live in where this dumpster country is the second biggest threat to american hegemony.
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2023
98 points (99.0% liked)
World News
2300 readers
107 users here now
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
Yeah this is straight up reactionary shit. They say it's not meant to persecute people with different sexual orientations, rather just target "the movement", but wtf does that even mean? How do they even legally define what "the LGBT movement" is? Do they think that people are card-carrying members of some official LGBT organization? This is so vague that it allows basically any interpretation that they decide is politically expedient at any given time.
Depending on public opinion this could range from being virtually a nothing burger that will only be used to go after western sponsored political opposition groups (which would be foreign interference anyway, Russia already has laws for that), all the way to making life a nightmare for queer people and trying to completely erase them from public visibility. Basically what will happen is up to what the mood in the general Russian public is at any given time and how much pushback there is when the government oversteps, but unfortunately at the moment a lot of Russians have very reactionary views on this subject.
The sad part is that i'm not sure that the outcome would be any different even if the ruling party was a communist one, at least if it chose to tail the masses on this issue. It's a difficult problem to solve because a vanguard party should not be tailing the masses but it also should not impose completely unpopular policies that the masses are not yet ready for. The correct thing to do is to prepare the people for more progressive policy with a thorough campaign of education and normalization.
They say it's not meant to persecute people with different sexual orientations, rather just target "the movement"
This shit has me so baffled. "We don't hate queer people we're just gonna ban their most visible movement and make it illegal to teach sex education that isn't heteronormative"
The sad part is that i’m not sure that the outcome would be any different even if the ruling party was a communist one, at least if it chose to tail the masses on this issue.
At the very least there wouldn’t have been the reactionary backslide due to the return of the power of the church (especially the reactionary sections that were previously exiled).
I was thinking more along the lines of if tomorrow the communists seized power and had to govern a country that has already undergone this reactionary backslide. Of course if the SU never fell the circumstances and the social attitudes would be entirely different today, but we can't change the past, only the future.
True, but an alternate history is more realistic than another revolution now. Obviously there could be a revolutionary situation eventually, idk what the future looks like for them.
How do they even legally define what "the LGBT movement" is? Do they think that people are card-carrying members of some official LGBT organization?
Yeah it has big “the CEO of antifa” energy
Y'know I get this is supposed to be against "rainbow capitalism", but with them also promoting the whole "traditional family values" bullshit it's certainly not a good look.
Reactionaries worldwide all understand the value of a scapegoat. Russia's bourgeoisie benefit from the populace blaming LGBTQ people for their problems just as much as the ones in the west do.
It is indeed why we say critical support.
Cheap political points at the expense of vulnerable minorities, perhaps to create a possibility of accusing them of the ills of capitalism later, once the contradictions start biting down the road.
It's not even like we can depend on the KPRF to correct this mistake either.
Shame that misunderstandings about the human body leads to these things.
Yet another reason for me to be labeled extremist
Why do we keep catching strays 😭
I don’t understand the motive. I know the West weaponizes us for everything, is it because of that?
Everyone catches strays, like when the LGBT death squad plants their rainbow flag on gaza or the US posts about their LGBT attack helicopter crew. The system alienates and fragments everyone by tricking one group it hates it slightly less than another. If you aren't principled, it's easy to buy into it.
They’re essentially pitting us against each other and some are unable to see it, or at worst they do see it and play into it.
Yep, it's sad and irritating.
for some people it might be that, for others it might just be reactionary conservative beliefs about gender.
It’s incredibly unfortunate and I can’t figure out which scenario is easier to remedy…
Reminder to the USSR widows that Putin and modern Russia are not our friends.
No shit. It seems like not everyone heard about Yeltsin’s self coup in 1993.
At first I was skeptical but it checks out, they’ve been misinterpreting people existing as Gay or Trans as some sorta Western delicacy or some reactionary nonsense for a lil while now. Extremely upsetting that THIS is one of the topics of criticism in Russia’s critical support.
They haven’t been “misinterpreting” anything. It’s a political weapon with which they can divert attention to a made up enemy to distract from their failings.
This the bread and butter tactic of capitalists and fascists. Blame immigrants, or the gays, or the Jews. Anyone but themselves.
Live "free speech activist" reaction:
Alright Z Posters, how do Ya`ll justify this?
Come on, you over there in Dongistan, tell me how Putin is "Based" And will help communism return to Russia?
Russian Nationalists infiltrating Marxist circles honestly is just annoying and I have zero tolerance on that.
I think I speak for most everyone when I say that this isn’t based, but marginally better than the Nazis that Ukraine brings into their ranks and radicalize other troops to accept Fascist-friendly brigades. Everyone here should criticize Russia in their many faults at the same time. That’s the beauty of the Dialectical Method, we can point out shortcomings and successes and address them as they are, not how we would like them to be.
Communism is the only ideology at the present which actually gets better over time, rather than just decaying into fascism. I see a lot of anticommunists point to their past failings or current flaws and there's a reason they ignore things like plans for the future; because it would make them look like a nazi. They can almost frame themselves as the antifascists even while all their actions point towards a fascist future.
That's a very good point. Libs say, 'How can you be a communist, don't you know how bad it was when people tried it?'
(Ignoring the fact that it has always been good, actually, on balance.) The answer is, 'Unlike capitalists, we have no reason to do what failed before.'
Hence why China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK have their own problems—but almost none of which are the same as those that happened in the USSR.
It's only liberals who say, 'This is capitalism, tough shit if you don't like it, things will get better in however many years. And yes, we plan to do all the stuff that's always been horrific, thank you. No, I don't understand contradiction, why do you ask?'
As that's built into the bourgeois outlook, they simply cannot comprehend how differently communists think.
load more comments
(2 replies)
Come on, you over there in Dongistan, tell me how Putin is "Based" And will help communism return to Russia?
No one says that, merely that they should be supported as an opponent of the imperial core
The Russian government can have reactionary positions when it comes to LGBT issues, and yet still be the main force in the world today killing nazis who would like nothing more than to wipe LGBT people off the face of the earth.
Should we stop critically supporting Gaza because they have anti-LGBT views also?
load more comments
(25 replies)
It's possible to both recognize how a state (Russia, Iran) can occupy an anti-imperialist position due to their circumstances and also recognize that they have seriously bigoted domestic politics.
load more comments
(1 replies)
view more: next ›