General Discussion

Every league is a stat padding league if you play for the dominant team.

It’s not the bundesliga, it’s Bayern.

Bundesliga is just a high scoring league because they don’t just sit back and defend like in La Liga

This logic is wrong because it depends on the team. Let's say you put Kane in Leverkusen or Augsburg, he will probably have around the same goals as he did in PL, maybe even less.

There's some kind of arrogance from Premier League fans that is kinda obnoxious, especially since reddit is full of them. I clearly remember the weeks before Haaland debuted at City. Literally more than 80% of people commenting were skeptical about him, because they see Bundesliga as this kind of shit league. They were seriously questioning whether he would score on a cloudy afternoon in Stoke and stuff. Fucking embarrassing. I wonder what those people are doing now

If you want to make an argument about that league being a stat pad fest, then don’t use those 2 players. Havertz and Werner are the best examples, same with sancho

Kane would have scored that at City, he’s incredible. He scored 30 in a terrible Spurs team.

Kane was scoring and reaching top scorer in PL with Tottenham buddy not man City or arsenal, it's only fair for him to score more goals with Bayern

Well yes and no. Is it an easier league when ur playing on the by far best team? Yes. But lewa, Kane and haaland all played in other leagues and were just as good if not better (bar lewa he has been slightly worse which is more due to age)

These types of games are always stupid because there are always players who perform better in one country compared to the other and there's rarely a correlation.

Please go watch a Bundesliga game mate

Dumb take. Great players are gonna perform well regardless of the league

Well yeah when Bayern Munich it’s heads and shoulders above any other team.

Sort of like if anybody played for PSG, Real Madrid / Barca, Man City in recent years, Milan.

You could say Haaland, Mbappe, Benzema was stat padding too.

Garbage take.

No, it just means that Bayern is really much better than the rest of the teams

Champions League and La Liga are so much worse than Bundesliga then since Bellingham had less goals in Germany

Bayern emphasizes a lot on the striker finishing and wingers servicing

Shocker

Not really- i mean for sure EPL is a level above Bundesliga- but you aren't considering everything here.

Kane went from playing a hybrid 9/10 role at Spurs (Let that sink in) to a proper 9 at fucking Bayern Munch. If he went to Leverkusen and did the same numbers or better his spurs numbers - it made more sense to compare.

Lewadowski went from Bayern and joined a Barca in transition - after his peak (the most important part). Hes not getting the service hes used to and Barca don't play to feed a number 9 his chances, which is why Suarez thrived there- you need to be more well-rounded. Hes doing just fine- but hes lot a bit of his clinical finish killer instinct with age, injury and post WC fatigue.

This is such a bad take without taking into account the performance of the respective teams in this duration.Dude did some math and came up with bundes liga is shit 😂

Lewandowski was just coming off his peak leading munich and the service kane is getting now is superior. However in paper the general standard of the PL is probably marginally higher

Tell me you don't know about football without telling me you don't know about football. 😐

You know zhat kane scored like half of his goals in 2 landslide matches right

If you play for Bayern, yes

i guess the issue with the over use of stats in the game is people do not know how to think critically about the stats they are using. maybe think a little bit about the point you are trying to make and you will see it is ridiculous

No, a sample size of 2 doesn’t prove anything

Lewandowski stats in la liga are meaningless to compare. You’re comparing a 34/35 year olds stats to when he was in his prime.

Haaland proved English League is a statpadding league

Not necesarilly, just because Lewa and Kane score at a higher rate. Lewa was also better when he played in the Bundes as he wasnt as old, he also had a different role and a much better team. Kane is similar in terms of him swithching roles and playing a much better team than Tottenham.

It proves if you put the best striker in the world in the most dominant team in the league, they’ll score loads. Kane and lewandowski both had amazing records before Bayern.

Yeah you are right. Ask Mane how well that went. He stat padded as fuck in PL

Yeah sure and Haaland went on to prove the PL is just as easy to score in…

Bellingham is proving the same in Spain?

Not at all, both of those strikers have proven they’re world class in perceived better leagues. It just further confirms they’re superb players who will retire as icons of the game.

Not really interested in any discussion about stat-padding tbh because it doesn’t exist. You play football to win, to do that you score goals. No-one is out here statpadding.

It's really not that simple, nor the way to answer your question.

If you want to assess a whole league, then you have to analyze league stats and collective stats, and more advanced stats + tactical analysis. Goals scored by 2 players is way too short of an analysis.

German football typically has an attack-orientated, collective tactical mindset. Bundesliga's reputation is that the games are open, a lot of goals are scored, the stadiums are full, etc. Quite an attractive league. But if you want to get intor the numbers, you have to go deeper than that.

Kane scored 30 goals last season for a team that finished 8th in the Premier League. He's now playing for a team that goes into every single league match as the clear favourite to win.

Lewandowski had probably already peaked as a player at the point that he left Bayern Munich.

In general, the Bundesliga is a bit more open and attacking than La Liga, and the Premier Leauge. Here is a Reddit post from a month ago outlining this statistic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/17c5jld/current_goals_per_game_average_of_the_top/

So I guess on the one hand, you could say that a top striker going to Bayern would be "statpadding" as they would expect to score a lot more goals than pretty much in any other team, but that phrase belies the quality of the league itself.

I think this is probably one the stupidest posts I've ever seen not only on this subreddit but on the entire site. Jesus..

Or alternatively, Bayern dominates their league more than Barca and especially Spurs

Last season the topscorer of the bundesliga made 16 goals. If you put one of the best attackers in the world in the best team of the bundesliga, they will score a lot of goals. But if you would put Kane or Lewandowski in a random Bundesliga team, I doubt they would reach this numbers.

This is so true for Laliga and Bundesliga lol, also considering the records held by messi and ronaldo in laliga, almost the whole match it's like Bayern playing in the opponent's territory total domination, so fking boring

Same could be said of the goats in la Liga

Kindergarten logic

1. Bayern Munich are a better team than spurs and Barcelona. At the times when both players played for the teams. E.g. 2021 bayern better than 2023 barcelona
2. Different leagues have different styles of play e.g. more open.
3. You need to consider the avg number of goals per game because it might be that more goals are scored in general in the bundesliga.
4. Its one of the best leagues in the world, just because it is a bit worse than the two best leagues in the world doesn't mean its a "statpadding" league, it is full of amazing footballers who have mastered they're sport.

„Do Haaland and Salah prove that the PL is just an statpadding league“. What logic is this? I swear some people loose all there football knowledge when it comes to the Bundesliga

They both do massively better in the CL too. It’s not just the league, it’s just Bayern are a brilliant team with lots of attacking chances and service.

Do Messi and Ronaldo prove La Liga as a statpadding League?

Two exceptional strikers having exceptional numbers don’t do shit.

Yes.

Might also be bonuses in the contract of the players related to how much he scores.. That for some teams or players make them more prone to make the goal themselves than giving away the goal to some others..

Jude Bellignham & Erling Haaland.

Both been in the Bundesliga.

Their first seasons after leaving, Haaland could genuinely have had 50, he was on track for more than 35 this time last year.

Bellingham has contributed 11 goals and 2 assists in La Liga so far. He could score 25 realistically.

Bayern create plenty chances in the Bundesliga, much like City in the PL and Madrid in LL.

Haaland has wasted big chances this year and is still on course for 30+.

Joselu at Madrid should have 15 at least this season but he's been poor ( or just played to his standard )

Kane has hit the ground running and been clinical for the most part. Lewandowski is playing with a developing Barca team, he doesn't get the chances he deserves at the minute.

Now if Choupo-Moting was getting 25+ a season with Bayern, I'd have to agree with you. But, he's not, because he's not world class striker unlike Kane & Lewa.

Mbappe is a prime example of a stat padder.

Still at PSG in the farmers league.

If he ever leaves, for me, he should go to the PL. If he gets 30 goal contributions for 5 seasons or more, I'll no longer call him a stat padder.