This is going to suck in the filmmaker and cinematography subreddits.
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I’d actually pay $1000 for this. Absolutely no chance I pay $2000 or more.
In 6 months someone is going to leak an email Kodak sent to Atari, asking where they buried the E.T. cartridges, and if there is still room in the landfill.
I quickly scrolled past this and clearly didn’t read it all and thought, “why is Kodak Black (the rapper) making a camera?” - Kodak the brand has been so far removed from the zeitgeist that Kodak Black has replaced it for me. LOL
i will secretly enjoy watching this fail so hard. they’ve had many many years to listen to the negative press and feedback yet here we are. it’s story will be better than anything that wil ever get filmed with this junk. pass me the popcorn.
It’s over priced and shooting itself in the foot by costing so much. I think you need these cameras to be cheaper to get into everyone’s hands, let alone the cost of film and development.
I don't think they want it in everyone's hands. Purposely prob gonna release limited amount. Keep prices up. Bye bye. Not interested
The idea is super cool for a hobbyist, but that price is batshit crazy.
Great features:
- Onboard mic
- Removable lenses
- Metering
- Screen (though a bit unnecessary)
- Digital backup
That’s a cool product. But it is not a $5,000 product. You can get a professionally refurbished Super8 for $3-500, and even cheaper if you’re willing to risk it on eBay. Those extra features are not worth the upgrade price.
I was hoping something like this would get popular to bring down the cost of processing, but this is not going to expand the market at all.
Exactly who was waiting for this?
Answer: No one
Kodak. Thinks it's apple of the camera world.
I’ll just get my Nikon serviced, holy cow
That’s real fucking dumb. First of all the prices simply insane and second of all if you have to send the film to Kodak and they send you back a digital conversion. Why not just make it a fucking digital camera
So it has a HDMI connection for viewing on a monitor. Wonder if that functions to "output" (video capture card) and has the all the charm/related with the format and none of the film cartridge requirements.
Otherwise, this just sounds like a sleazy stockholders wet dream. A "upgraded" version of a campbells soup can painting with as much effort and thought put into it.
3 minutes of film? Why not go all in at that rate and have it like a 1950's brownie video camera where you had to crank it up clock spring style?
Oops, I gave a idea. now it's $15,995 for a even more "retro" experience
"... the camera was originally planned to sell for about US$1,000 (with a lower-priced $400 to $700 version to follow), it will now set you back $5,495..."
You could also buy a fully functional Beaulieu cine16 camera with lenses for less than $2k and still have $3k to spend on the purchase and development of the film.
This is only going to sell to influencers or people who have more money to waste than film making talent. Kodak, whom invented the video camera then shelved it, is a great example of how to run a multi billion dollar company into the ground with pure hubris.
Holllly fuck, I remember $1k seeming steep, $5k ensures literally no one will buy this. Wow, how disappointing. I’ve literally been looking forward to this thing since like 2016.
Ah wtf 5k for a super 8?
You’re thinking of the digital camera that was developed in 1975 they shelved because they were seeing a roll of film that cost them 5 cents to make for $2.
Yeah, I wonder how loud this thing is though. Is that used beaulieu motor still gonna be sync? Also looks like this thing has a video tap, that’s nice. What people really need to consider are the prices not shown here. The film, the processing, the video transfer…
After taxes that’s a $6k Super 8 camera.
I’m just reading my sentence out loud and I can’t believe this is a real thing.
There are case studies on Kodak’s propensity for making bad decisions.
All that and it charges via Micro USB, there are cameras designed for children that have more advanced features than this garbage.
They won’t be able to sell it in the EU. LOL
USB-C or wireless. All the other cables need to die.
Hah... the worst of the USB connections even. $5500 camera with a cable only worth a penny that has it's charging pins go flat and more in it's poor design?
hahhaha
This isn’t the same Kodak is it? It’s a zombie brand
As in, the brand name’s been bought and sold a few times and there’s really no relation to the original company? You do see that a lot with old hi-fi brands and such, but I think Kodak is still THE Kodak.
They were able to restructure in bankruptcy, sell off some assets and bounce back. A big money maker for them is an archival film stock for long term storage of theatrical releases
Kodak is not a zombie company. Still produce motion picture film that we use every day (also pharmaceuticals now lol)
Yeah pretty sure I was thinking of Polaroid
Long awaited? By who? Super 8 cameras are still readily available. It costs $80-100 for 3 minutes of footage. That’s why no one uses these except YouTubers.
In 10 minutes on kdenlive, I created a template to make any footage look like 8mm. Why would you go through the stress?
Nostalgists who collect things like typewriters, record players, fountain pens, pinball machines, etc. They like technology that requires human interaction to function. The act of disassembling a fountain pen to clean and fill, then reassembled to use makes them happy.
They are a niche market that likes to interact a with fidgety technology and they actually embrace the quirks of getting it to work properly. The cost isn't necessarily a prohibition, but serves as a badge of honor amongst their peers of collectors.
Ask someone with a Kiss Pinball machine how much they bought it for. They'll either brag they spent way too much or they'll tell you they got it for a song, and had to spend way too much to repair it to this pristine shape. The finding of parts and ability to fix it is part of the appeal.
Think of people who own and showcase Model T cars, it's the same type.
I own a Williams Indiana Jones pinball machine, so I felt that comment. I agree with most of what you said, but you know what this niche group doesn’t want? LCD screens and HDMI out. Kodak somehow went for the worst of both worlds at a ridiculous price.
If they hit their original target of $1,000 then maaaybe you’d find an audience. It’s still Vision film which has gorgeous color reproduction and organic grain.
Because it doesn’t look the same and you know it. There’s a reason if they want a film look, big productions still use film instead of a filter in post.
There have been 3 CGI Trolls movies since the last Miyazaki animated film, why go through all the stress of hand drawing it?