They do have a plan, but it doesn't include finding a peaceful solution and a path to long standing peace.
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Yup, the Israeli State does not give a single shit about innocent Palestinians. They're quite happy to continue oppressing them, because when the oppressed 'suddenly' become radicalised and fight back it gives the Israeli State an excellent excuse to take more land and displace more Palestinians.
Israel is showing the world it's not trying to be an apartheid state, but a genocidal one.
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Well if everyone is dead then there is peace right /s
"negative peace "
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We all know what the endgame is.
Please…enlighten us
The Gaza strip ceases to exist when it's taken by force and "settlers" move in so it becomes part of Israel. Millions of Palestinians die in refugee camps.
Taken by force? It was taken by force 56 years ago. Since then the Palestinian population in Gaza has increased about 7-fold.
And there were already Israeli settlements there. They were dismantled in 2005 and the settlers forcibly removed by Sharon’s government.
Yea, but Sharon was a lot more sane than bibi... it seems like that asshole has done everything in their power to roll those changes back.
Are we talking about the same Sharon that Palestinians hold responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre? And the same Sharon whose visit to Al-Aqsa was rightly or wrongly said to be the proximate cause of the Second Intifada (and which ultimately allowed him to come to power)? The same Sharon who built the wall between the West Bank beyond the Green Line effectively annexing large chunks of land in all but name? That Sharon? Just want to make sure that we’re talking about the same guy
Yup, much more sane than Netanyahu.
Bibi is almost certainly gone the moment the military operations are over. Something like 90% of Israelis hold him responsible for the attacks and want him out.
He'll be around through the unity government while military operations are conducted, but there's essentially no chance he has any part of what comes after.
If it depends on him resigning it won't happen. He is in a survivalist state. He doesn't care about the outcome of the war as long as he remains in power. He doesn't care what happens. The only thing he is working on in a time of war is his image and blaming figures from decades ago for this situation.
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So, for execution of this plan they gave to sector Gaza autonomy and removed (forcefully) Jewish settlements from there. Yeah. Totally makes sense.
Other commenters have added good answers, basically the strong feeling everywhere is this won't stop until Hamas is utterly wiped out, and by that time Gaza will be too and it's inhabitants either destroyed or refugeed out.
Annihilation.
The plan: more settlements, more oppression, more land grabs.
FTA:
"Israel has called up a record 360,000 reservists"
Gaza has 365 square kilometers. 141 square miles.
https://www.britannica.com/summary/Gaza-Strip
That seems like an awful lot of soldiers to square meters.
You do realize that this is likely to become a 3 front war. Lebanon in the north. And Bibi has to cowtow to his settler base in the West Bank.
I could definitely see that, Israel has not been shy about invading Southern Lebanon in the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
And one of those fronts will effectively be with iran. You seriously don't want to fuck with the resources they have to throw into war.
I wonder whether Iran can actually spare an outright war. There is clearly a lot of anti-government energy flowing in Iran, and that won't have been stamped out by their crackdown on it.
I wonder whether most everyday Iranians would support a war with Israel.
Granted, it's not likely Iran gets directly involved - they'll just drive their Hezbollah prop.
I wonder whether Iran can actually spare an outright war. There is clearly a lot of anti-government energy flowing in Iran, and that won’t have been stamped out by their crackdown on it.
I guess it depends on how much the "helping our fellow Muslims" stuff works. I know it would in Egypt at least.
Iran wouldn't need to radically shift their budget... the revolutionary guard gets buckets of oil money and maintains a constant high state of readiness.
Yeah, Russia's initial push against all of Ukraine was reportedly about 100-200k soldiers.
I think that was a little bit different in that a) everyone (the West included!) expected Ukraine to just roll over, and b) a lot of those troops weren't told they were actually going to war, they thought it was just a training mission... the poor bastards.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war
Israeli troops aren't under any illusion about what they're doing.
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I'd like a single atheist state where Palestine and Israeli have equal rights but religion is strictly outlawed. But I wouldn't kill people to achieve that, so I think my endgame isn't gonna happen
But I wouldn’t kill people to achieve that, so I think my endgame isn’t gonna happen
Yes, since both other sides have extremists which aren't happy with any compromise. On both sides, they are in the government. On both sides, they are willing to kill for it, even seeing it as their religious duty. So if you're unwilling to kill and prefer another scenario, you will most definitely not get it and maybe get killed in the process. The region might have reached it's nash equilibrium in constant war.
In your ideal atheist state, what would the punishment be for religion?
fraud charges for anyone claiming it to be non fiction and censorship similar to what porn gets for religious media
Attending a satanic church service maybe
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
DUBAI/WASHINGTON, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Israel is vowing to wipe out Hamas in a relentless onslaught on the Gaza Strip but has no obvious endgame in sight, with no clear plan for how to govern the ravaged Palestinian enclave even if it triumphs on the battlefield.
Codenamed "Operation Swords of Iron", the military campaign will be unmatched in its ferocity and unlike anything Israel has carried out in Gaza in the past, according to eight regional and Western officials with knowledge of the conflict who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.
The immediate Israeli strategy, said three regional officials familiar with discussions between the U.S. and Middle Eastern leaders, is to destroy Gaza's infrastructure, even at the cost of high civilian casualties, push the enclave's people towards the Egyptian border and go after Hamas by blowing up the labyrinth of underground tunnels the group has built to conduct its operations.
Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said Biden's visit would have given him a chance to press Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu to think through issues such as the proportional use of force and the longer-term plans for Gaza before any invasion.
Two regional military experts told Reuters that Hamas' armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, has mobilised for an invasion, setting up anti-tank mines and booby-trapped explosive devices to ambush troops.
Hundreds of Palestinians have died in the West Bank since the start of the year in repeated clashes with Israeli soldiers and settlers, and there is widespread concern that the violence might engulf the territory as nearby Gaza burns.
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