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Having lost the first vote to become House speaker, Rep. Jim Jordan will try again on a decisive second ballot that will test whether the hard-edged ally of Donald Trump can win over the holdouts or if his bid for the gavel is collapsing, denied by detractors.

Ahead of Wednesday morning’s voting, Jordan made an unexpected plea for party unity, the combative Judiciary Committee chairman telling his colleagues on social media, “we must stop attacking each other and come together.”

But a surprisingly large and politically diverse group of 20 Republicans rejected Jordan’s nomination, many resisting the hardball tactics enforcing support, and viewing the Ohio congressman as too extreme for the powerful position of House speaker, second in line to the presidency.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

These chucklefucks always say "we need to come together" after being the ones who always tear shit apart. They play stupid games and damage our democracy. I wish nothing but the worst for them.

[–] krellor@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

The schadenfreude is strong watching Jordan, who in 16 years hasn't had a single bill he sponsored or cosponsored pass, has done nothing but rail against compromise and negotiations, now desperately plead with people to negotiate to make him speaker. Good on the hold outs for having an ounce of guts.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

These chucklefucks always say “we need to come together”

Their version of "come together" always has been "We get everything we want and get to continue shitting all over you while you get to sit there and thank us for it". Even within their own ranks.

The holdouts most likely realize that Jim Jordan's word is about as valuable as dogshit, and there'd be nothing they can do about it the minute he tells his own allies to go pound sand. This is also why the Democrats should not be supporting any kind of "consensus" speaker, because they would have exactly zero leverage to enforce whatever deal they strike, and there would be nothing stopping any GOP speaker from reneging on the deal and telling the Dems to fuck off.

"Only by working together side by side can we support the American people. Don't you understand that you stupid Democrats? Your idiocy is why we're banning abortion."

[–] 2piradians@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How can anyone witness all this idiocy and still plan to vote republican?

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Idiocy is a core tenent of the Republican platform and has been for years. Intelligence has been looked down on by the Republican party for the 20 odd years I've been paying attention, and it's only gotten worse as they've cozied up to the insane authoritarians and leaned into the bugfuck support of 'religion' to get their way/keep themselves in power

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 19 points 1 year ago

As my father would say, it's worth it if it hurts liberals.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

That's the problem with representative democracy. You get enough idiots voting and they'll elect compatible representation.

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idiocy is the point. Because "government doesn't work."

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans keep saying government is corrupt, incompetent, and useless, then they get elected to run the government and prove their point.

[–] david 14 points 1 year ago

If government was done well, people might be happy paying their taxes, and that's the last thing republicans want.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Republicans love the uneducated.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hes fucked.

He has the money raising power of a twig stuck in cowshit, the charisma of a run over frog, and absolutely no one (save for absolute morons) believes the whole jacket off, I'm working hard shtick.

They will end up making the Speaker Pro Tem be able to push legislation and get them working again because the Pro-Israel donors want aid to Israel and decide the speakership later down the road.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

I’ll take this outcome over Gym Jordan, sexual abuse enabler, insurrectionist and traitor to the Republic, Speaker of the House of Representatives, any day.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

and decide the speakership later down the road.

"Down the road" could very well be after the 2024 elections, when saner leadership is voted in.

[–] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The way you phrased this made me laugh.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Jordan is toast. He has no path to the speaker's chair and his opposition will only grow. The GOP plan to float a motion to give Patrick McHenry more authority, and if concessions are given it will get Dem votes.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

give Patrick McHenry more authority

This seems like a horrible precedent being set but nobody seems to have a problem with it.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think the majority party will not be able to elect a speaker too often.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Idk congress has never gotten more functional in my lifetime, just consistently less

Hey at least they are being consistent

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Point taken. But, this has never happened in my lifetime.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The GOP plan to float a motion to give Patrick McHenry more authority

Shredding the Constitution to fix a problem created by the GOP isn't a good solution

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know how much of the constitution is shredded. If the motion only gives the pro tempore additional powers until the end of the year, say, not much shredded. It's a way to give them time but stay in business.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Then they just do the same thing again next year and suddenly we never have a "real" speaker again. Unless we get actual consequences along the lines of a snap election, this seems like a bad idea.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Patrick McHenry is a scumbag as well, not an improvement

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what rational person wants the job considering whoever gets it will be plunged right back into a debt ceiling bill fight

[–] Stiffneckedppl@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He doesn't care about that. He wants the speakership so he can exert additional pressure toward making certain problems go away for Trump and himself.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He wants to be in a position to make the next coup attempt succeed.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

So do 199 other Republicans.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The House won't really be able to affect Trump's legal woes, since at least one of them is beyond the reach of even the federal courts. What he'd do with the speakership is call impeachment votes for Biden every week, then prattle on about how it's somehow the Democrats' and RINO's faults that the votes never succeed.

Basically, he would try to act like some kind of Conservative strong-man to win political theatre points.

[–] Stiffneckedppl@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lacking the authority over state level legal proceedings hasn't stopped Jordan from trying to exert pressure over Alvin Bragg and Fani Willis. It's not about what he can do within the bounds of the law. He's already tried it without the speakership. The speakership just gives him more weight to throw around and makes it just a little harder to impose accountability on him.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, sure. It's practically a given that he'll try ~~and continue to fail~~ to exert authority over things beyond his jurisdiction. But that's the "political strong-man" act I was referring to, and even with his weak attempts to affect the state cases, I don't expect that sort of behavior to stop while he still breathes.

It doesn't matter to him if he ultimately succeeds, because the point is to make a show to his base that he still swears fealty to the Orange Oaf.

[–] weedazz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Power hungry fucks that want to be 2 steps away from the presidency

[–] Haus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hear Gym Jordan and The Ginger fucked an Ostriches... Allegedlies...

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Must have been a sick ostrich

[–] King3d@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Folks'll say that it takes two people to fuck an ostrich.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


WASHINGTON (AP) — Having lost the first vote to become House speaker, Rep. Jim Jordan will try again on a decisive second ballot that will test whether the hard-edged ally of Donald Trump can win over the holdouts or if his bid for the gavel is collapsing, denied by detractors.

Ahead of Wednesday morning’s voting, Jordan made an unexpected plea for party unity, the combative Judiciary Committee chairman telling his colleagues on social media, “we must stop attacking each other and come together.”

But a surprisingly large and politically diverse group of 20 Republicans rejected Jordan’s nomination, many resisting the hardball tactics enforcing support, and viewing the Ohio congressman as too extreme for the powerful position of House speaker, second in line to the presidency.

Additional voting Tuesday was postponed as the House hit a standstill, stuck while Jordan worked to shore up backing from Republican colleagues for the job to replace the ousted Kevin McCarthy.

Flexing their independence, the holdouts are a mix of pragmatists — ranging from seasoned legislators and committee chairs worried about governing, to newer lawmakers from districts where voters back home prefer President Joe Biden to Trump.

Congress faces daunting challenges, risking a federal shutdown at home if it fails to fund the government and fielding Biden’s requests for aid to help Ukraine and Israel in the wars abroad.


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