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How to get out of an uncomfortable egg culture situation with this one simple trick.
Real talk: Calling people eggs is a violation of the egg prime directive, and is considered invalidating as you are trying to say that a person is not the gender they identify as, that their identity is invalid. Don't call people eggs, like ever, it's extremely uncool.
based and my-gender-is-none-of-your-business pilled
the whole egg concept always rubbed me the wrong way and this finally put words to it, it feels so strange that people who reject assigned labels will them merrily go ahead and force labels upon others.
Just let people be people, and they can inform you of their identity if they so wish.
I'm imagining my grandpa trying to decode what it means to call an ftm femboy an egg and just losing his mind
yes hello I'm not a grandpa but I am very confused I have never heard this term used for anything but these
how did it become derogatory to ftm femboys
okay I do agree that calling people eggs is problematic, but this argument sucks. You can't both ask me to treat FtM people differently from men and ask me to treat them the same as men. The reason you don't call someone an egg is because their gender is none of your business.
I thought the point of this was to treat them both the same. If yes, you're not cool for invalidating two people's genders, if no, you're still not cool for invalidating one person's gender. Maybe I'm misreading but I don't see your comment represented in the meme.
Disclaimer: I don't really believe this -- but the counter-argument would be to the one on the left: "why does it matter if the man is trans?" (which is a numbskull counterargument, but it fits in the context of the question on the right.) It's just dumb to put those two boxes next to each other IMO because it draws a very stupid venn diagram.
why does it matter if the man is trans?
While I tend to steer away from cis/trans related debates, this one has a simple answer.
Being trans takes money.
Can I call me egg tho
If you want to call yourself an egg, you absolutely can. The Egg Prime Directive governs treatment of others, but you're free to call yourself an egg if you wish, since by virtue of you deciding to do it you are already okay with labeling yourself that way. Even if you somehow aren't okay with you doing it to yourself. I mean... misgendering yourself is between you and yourself alone.
Perhaps if you need to, you can try suing yourself.
The lawyers would sure be happy.
does egg in this context refer to the femboy wanting to express feminine but doesn't really understand what being a femboy is, or is the femboy expressing feminine and being called an egg as in the "you are just trans and dont know it" BS? I'm a tad confused 🥺
Egg in this context means ‘you’re really a girl but not admitting/realizing it yet’.
ohhh ok I get it now. Thanks!
yeah but if they are dressed as a actual egg
Like this?
exactly
egg-actly
Can someone explain the concept and etymology of "egg"? I am wholly uninformed and search engines are now shit.
The trans person in question is the hatchling. Someone who is an egg is someone who has yet to hatch into their true identity.
Thank you
As a concept it's a person that's trans but hasn't realised yet. Sometimes there are signs, which is where you might run into the mentioned situation of calling someone an egg. Experimenting with clothing made for women is a common/obvious one, but it doesn't always mean they're an egg. They might just like the clothing but still identify as a man.
The etymology? I dunno.
thank you
I think the etymology stems from the fact that an egg hatches into a chick.
Oh, I get it now 🙄
For those not in the know "chick" is a term to refer to women. There are varying opinions on its use but it is considered by many to be objectifying and misogynistic.
...That actually makes the idea of calling other people eggs somehow even worse.
wasn't there something about it being considered misogynistic except if you're in spain, then it's considered normal?
Not sure, I just know that I've known people who complained because men called them chicks, claiming it was demeaning, objectifying, or misogynistic. I don't personally know that much since I'm not actually a woman. Sorry to all if I came off as mansplaining, or... enbysplaining..? 🤷
Don’t call people eggs
except if they identify as unhatched birds
edit: or reptiles, or fish? do fish lay eggs?
def rule: what's egg? thought egg/orb was in-situ like 196
An egg is a trans person who hasn’t realized they’re trans yet. When you do realize it, you’ve ’cracked your egg’. The symbolism for new beginnings and a new life is intentional too, IMO.
Also the phrase it almost exclusively self-refferentially in practice.
Then there's the sub Reddit and several Lemmy communities called egg_irl which accuse people of being an egg due to something they said or a picture they shared.
I think that's where "egg" is used badly
Well it certainly isn't on !egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone, at least not if I have anything to say about it. Anyone who does will get posts removed, or even bans handed out. The instance doesn't take too kindly to it either.
But Reddit though... yeah... it's really bad there. Don't go on the Reddit communities if you value your sanity and happiness. Not just egg_irl but traa too, and I think even 196 on Reddit suffers from it unfortunately.
It's not always like that, but it sometimes does become that. It often is just trans or closeted people memeing on their own behavior with the understanding that those behaviors don't make them trans. That said, it can be tricky to not overstep bounds or imply the wrong thing. I think it's a force for good overall, but there are a few things to remember when observing it or participating in it.
Definitely, it's almost always either someone that's not quite ready to come out or trans people talking about their pre-transition selves. There is a small minority of people who are very insistent on calling other people eggs and seem to think they're helping, but really are contributing to an environment with more rigid gender roles.
It's unfortunate because a lot of the time I think what they're really wanting to do is talk about their own experiences and how things clicked together for them, but are way overgeneralizing about it and projecting it onto other people.
I would say it can be funny if (and probably only if) it's about a fictional character or historical person
Eh maybe it can be, but in the same way that directly misgendering fictional characters can get iffy or be unpleasant. Egging them isn't great either. There's a video by a Creator named Mako Ray that explains it better than I can. This one is about the character Felix Argyle from Re:Zero.