I don't understand what it's going to take for someone to do something. Protests are not going to work when they're holding all our money, services, rights, data, etc hostage, and threatening all our public servants. We already had a hard time protesting before this, because health care is tied to employment. It's not a coincidence that they're going after Medicare and Medicaid. They want an entire nation of indentured servants. Unable to own anything, including our own freedom. When we can't work anymore we can just go die in the wilderness like animals I guess. Hmm where have we heard that before?

Everyone is terrified and exhausted. It seems pretty evident that the election was outright stolen, and I have a hard time believing nobody in power suspected something that many of us immediately called, not with the mountains of evidence that's been stacking up for months, years even. So why didn't they do anything? Why did they wait until Trump was sworn in to even talk about it?

I see Canadians online talking about Americans like we chose this. But we didn't, it was forced upon us, and we're begging for help! Who can we turn to if not our allies? What is going on???

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 10 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

People keep saying this, but WHO?

Who are you talking about?

Who is this "somebody" you keep talking about showing up to save us?

Look, nobody is coming to save us, and asking somebody else to risk harm on your behalf is selfish.

If we object, it isn't on somebody else to show up and save us, it's on us.

If you aren't willing to make the moves yourself, who the fuck are you to ask somebody else to.

Nobody is coming to save us, folks. It's either us, me and you, or it's nobody.

[–] SPOOSER@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don't trust anyone enough for something to actually be done. Buy guns, buy 3d Printers, learn to make clothing, prepate your homesteads, prepare for isolation and be ready to lean on and support your neighbors.

Be the best you can be, make good relationships with those around you, and brace yourselves . It's the only thing I can realistically think I alone can do for me, my family, and my community.

Is it a doomer view? I don't think so. I like to have hope that my vote can fix something. I like to think my protests are heard and considered. But at the end of the day I have to focus on doing what I actually can.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 56 minutes ago

I have a similar, albeit slightly less doomer, view currently. Focus on the safety and good of your community and loved ones, and remember that nothing is guaranteed to us. Do the necessary good steps like voting and protesting, but don't be naïve enough to think that's the whole of necessary action or a magic bullet to solve the problems. Do the good, but focus on the real workable action in your direct sphere of influence. Cheers.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 23 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

In 2016, people thought that Trump was the problem. That if Trump left, we could have civility restored to the electoral process. Defeating Trump won't solve the problem because he isn't it - it is the electorate. The voters need to SEE what will happen when this or that occur.

Deport all the immigrants, see the damage that brings, then bring them back with legal protections this time.

Cancel all the science, see how far behind we get, then bring it back with all the funding to make the next moonshot.

Get rid of all fogien aid, watch as our global power dimishes, the vote to bring it back with a clear and true purpose other than empire building.

The people don't know WHY these things are important, and are unwilling to listen or learn. Thus, the only teacher is to experience. But to quote Trump: "There will be some pain" when doing it.

[–] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 1 points 26 minutes ago

100%. Even after he leaves office, is anyone confident that the country will collectively go "well that was embarrassing, anyway, back to normality now!"

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don't disagree with you and I would love it if people had to experience the consequences of their poor decisions and learn hard lessons that they've been evading for years. The problem is that millions of innocents are and will be caught in the crosshairs. This is a matter of life or death for many people who did not vote for him and it is unconscionable to allow all those people to die just so a bunch of loud racist hillbillies with lead poisoning can learn a lesson.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Fair, I just see no other way of swaying minds without consequences. We tried 4 years of shielding people from Trump's baser urges, and we ended with thousands of people dying each day to COVID. Then 4 year later THEY VOTED HIM BACK IN.

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They don't even know what DEI means until oh hey, they're out on disability for months+ for surgery in their physically demanding job and need help because their arm or whatever doesn't work and/or they'll be out for surgery for months and/or SSDI rejects their claim. The willful ignorance and just plain ignorance is really sad.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Will they actually see it though is the question, or will they greedily accept the new set of lies as the world burns around them.

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Dead on. This is a snowballing shit storm building since Reagan. Probably earlier. Trump is only a foothold, a useful idiot. He's popular with the Boomers and knows how to work them and use the language. They even refer to him as "their boy." Meanwhile he's "making deals" e.g. pumping the dicks of other corpos like Xi and Putin and pretending to get them on board even when he fails with the smarter leaders while his little weasels dismantle shit in the background.

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

The Canadians I talk to are either furiously pissed off and lashing out at me like I'm about to annex them myself or dead ass silent. This is a weird fucking timeline to say the least.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It wasn't stolen and it wasn't forced on you. Depressingly enough, turkeys, it seems, do sometimes vote for Christmas. I totally agree with you about the awfulness of the situation but - he told you how he was going to govern, he told you what he was going to do and then he won the election that enables him to do it. You did, as a nation, choose this.

I don't know how any nation state can really intervene on that basis. Its not like Hitler steam rolling Poland or Putin annexing the Crimea - this isn't an invasion or a hostile takeover, it's an elected President carrying out the will of the people that voted for him.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

I'm not going to argue with you, I get enough of that on reddit. But there is a literal mountain of evidence, including their own statements and sketchy behavior, hard data, unsecured voting machines, various voter suppression tactics, ballots that were tossed, code that was published online months (possibly more than a year) before the election, and one of the twerps currently taking over the treasury wrote code that can falsify ballots while he was an intern for Musk.

Also, it is like Hitler, they're using the same exact playbook, and while there are some key differences there is no arguing that this is the exact reason NATO exists. Justin Trudeau could invoke article 4 for threats of invasion. Someone from our government should still be able to invoke article 5. These international agreements exist because when the highest power in the nation is compromised, we need outside help.

[–] sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 hours ago

I'm sorry, I'm Canadian, and what exactly do you think all of NATO could do, allied and organized against the American armed forces? Do you seriously believe we could stage an effective military campaign against America? That would he suicide.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

did they falsify 86 million votes? because that's how many people voted maga by sitting this one out.

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[–] tonbo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

What are you asking outside forces to do? Invade America and install a foreign government because americans are unable to maintain their freedom?

[–] Tankton@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

Perhaps we can ask the Taliban for help

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[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

I don't understand what it's going to take for someone to do something

Who is someone? Who is something? Organize and mobilize. I know all Americans didn’t choose this, but you’ll need a lot of support/like minded folks (which it sounds like you have). Trump’s shock doctrine has clearly worked. Try and focus on tangible steps to take whether it’s annoying the heck out of your elected officials, joining a grassroots org, or attending a public rally on an off day.

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[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

I hear you... The problem is no one is going to come save us.

Change can only happen internally.

Unsure what can be done though... Voting and protests don't seem to be effective...

If nothing changes everyone will have to get comfortable enough to feel like freedom is fighting for.

This means first amendment up, train, and be ready for the day to when we need to defend our constitution.

The confederacy already lost once, they will lose again.

At the rate this is going I honestly don't see any other future.

[–] niketunic@lemmy.world 47 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

people need to start seriously protesting

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah but we need to stop occupying sidewalks and start occupying gated communities. The fact that protest organizers won't do this says everything you need to know about them - they prefer passive action that does nothing but maintain the status quo. I've been to over 100 protests everything from workers strikes to BLM to Occupy Wall St, and i've learned that occupying a sidewalk that the oligarchs don't walk on does nothing but make the cause look pathetic. We need to protest where the oligarchs will be afraid, anything less is just playing into their hands.

[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, that is a great first step. Especially if you try to connect and network with other people during the protests to form longer lasting groups or find and participate in already existing ones.

This shit won't be fixed with protests alone, but if they help people get a taste for what it feels like to organize and take some power back, then it is already worth it. Hell, even being around people that feel the same way is already a net plus for a lot of people who are ideologically isolated.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 hours ago

Yeah like every day... none of this "we will spend one hour during our lunch break on one Wednesday!" bullshit.

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[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 21 points 7 hours ago

An actual use. Yeah send help!

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Relevant: https://youtu.be/ZwMVMbmQBug

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 122 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Kudos to the person who is sending the correct message. Everyone who believes in protecting the US Constitution should fly the US flag upside down.

[–] maxoakland@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago

I think we need to do more than that. The flag is a distress signal. We have to help the people who are distressed

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 317 points 13 hours ago (22 children)

That seems like a very bad sign. Someone wanted a message to get out to the public, but I'm not entirely sure what can be effectively done about it. Credit to the person with the balls to send out the warning, though.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

When one side ignores the rules, power is the only thing that matters.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 149 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (9 children)

I'm not entirely sure what can be effectively done about it.

History offers no control groups; there is no "right" way to proceed. What's certain is that "nothing" is not the answer.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

History offers one very good "right" way, imo.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

I'm not even joking but if this doesn't happen there's no hope for the future. we're past the point of simply prosecuting and hoping they get some time in prison. examples need to be made so others know that just because the supreme court said it's legal to do whatever the fuck you want doesn't mean you're getting away with it from the public.

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