“Following orders” is the reason the USA prosecuted thousands of nazis at Nuremberg.
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all those nazis were afraid of losing their job too. i do not forgive them. >:(
I'm conflicted on this (as in the topic). I have no argument that the information should have remained public. but like, what is the alternative that the employees had? The only outcome not obeying that direction would be is termination. Being terminated for not following direction would help nobody, the information would still not be available to the public, and the workers would be out of a job. Plus workers terminated would be replaced with workers who were not passionate about climate change, so if a more minor of a problem came up, they couldn't skew it in a less destructive matter. The workers were dealt a shitty hand and did what they could with it.
Being said, love the idea! I wish we could have more of a say in stuff like this. 😀
We should not show sympathy to those 'just following orders'. It is exactly that mindset which allows terrible things to be committed by normal individuals. It will not be forgiven in the future, and we should make no excuses for it now.
i appreciate your confliction and i hope you are right. i hope “good” EPA employees, fired or not, get together and start reposting the removed data on non-gov websites and protesting. which is what they would do if they actually were ever passionate about climate change.
I agree, if they had access to the data it they should continue to discretely leak it to the public even If they don't protest the action publicly (due to anonymity concerns)
What's the point in staying in the job and still helping nobody? You being replaced with a loyalist is unneeded when you yourself are doing the exact same as the loyalist- everything youre told, instead of what's right and moral.
from a personal point of view, not losing your job is a pretty big benefit. But if you are looking strictly from an ecological viewpoint, just because they couldn't make a change on /this/ order doesn't mean they cant do anything with future orders. It's not a black or white issue. This order may have left very little wiggle room,but the next orders might just say an end goal, and may be able to manipulated in a way to downscale the effectiveness of the order while still obtaining the same result. If they are no longer in that position, that potential is no longer present.
This is like saying "That soldier followed orders and killed a non-combatant, so might as well replace him with a person who loves killing non-combatants."
The problem is that they aren't doing ANY push back. Nobody is slowing them down, nobody is trying to direct things through the appropriate channels, it's simply bending the knee and licking the boot, often before anything is even asked.
Right now, they're killing the same number of non-combatants as the person who loves killing non-combatants.
I'm sure plenty of nazis were afraid of losing their jobs. In the end, they "just followed orders".
What does "termination" mean in this context?
You can say "kill" here.
Being fired basically. Or being relieved of position