- Name is Alex/Jordan/Leslie
- Not allowed to clarify gender
this post was submitted on 01 Feb 2025
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Wouldn’t the world be better off if no one knew each others gender? If you’re a cis man and find yourself attracted to another man? Congrats you’re gay now.
Oh no what a shame
nul42 would stop using pronouns completely and just use genderless nouns or proper names instead.
How does this hold up against a first amendment test?
When "What Trump wants goes" is all the Supreme Meme Court cares about
It'll never have to
Well like any other employee, you can say whatever you like, but you might get fired for it.
I don't see how the first ammendment applies here.
That said, I think this is a stupid and mean spirited order. It is by design trying to continue the exodus of federal employees while also the tyrannical denial of being able to identify people however they find appropriate for themselves.
Well it's not a private entity hiring them, it's the actual govt. Usually the defense is that those are private companies and they can do what they want but that doesn't apply here
Yes it does apply here. Why would you think it would be different?
There are always policies in government, just like anywhere else you have people working. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to break those policies.
Because their employer is the US Government. The very entity the 1st Amendment protects us from.
Not how this works at all. Do you really believe that an employee can just do or say anything while on the job just because they work for the US government?
Lets take Email for example, because that is what we are talking about here. There are policies about structuring emails. An agency can say: Your name goes at the bottom of every email, followed by your position, and then the Logo of the Agency. If you choose to sign your emails with someone else's name, from "This is such bullshit department" and a logo you made up, you WILL get disciplined.
Your freedom of speech ends at the door. Outside of work feel free, not at work.
Most of that isn't political speech. You absolutely still have the right to political speech as a government employee. Even the military was forced to let soldiers have political speech. The dividing line is where it looks like the speech is from the government instead of from you. Personal pronouns are hardly going to be from the government.
In your assertion the government could simply remove the rights of civil servants by issuing a policy. And that's just not how rights work.
Use of pronouns outlawed. Now they have to say “that person” or call them by their name.
- I → (the) speaker/writer
- you → (the) listener/reader, pl. (the) audience
- they → that person, pl. those people
The writer believes that such an idea is quite stupid. In fact, the writer believes that the audience will find this language extremely obtuse. These methods will only cause more pain to the federal employees in question.
Don't forget pronouns like who, mine, and ours. In fact, here's a list of >100
Someone should write a script that completely replaces these with BS standins
I think we need a tool that automatically rewrites text to remove all pronouns, but I'm not even sure that is possible.
So is it alright to just assume trump is female? The email signature no longer states her preferred pronouns, so I think this is what she wants?
She did sign that executive order designating everyone as female, too.
This is just begging for malicious compliance.
You want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck my email is trying to say.
In the article it specifies you to remove pronouns from your email signature. Definitely less fertile ground for malicious compliance, but it's still doable.
End every email body with "For your response, I am referred to using (feminine/masculine/any/whatever) pronouns"
Replace it with "[Insert Pronouns Here]". Make sure to have your desk already cleaned out though.
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FUCKING PRONOUNCE turns red and screams
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Think it is important for people to remove all pronouns from documents. Without, people will be more free to interpret what these messages mean to. This type of malicious compliance will only go so far, sadly.
Comment used it, these, and this. Please remove offensive pronouns, children may be present and children must not learn the english language
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