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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Wikipedia has a good article about the term

If you think Hitler is bad, wait until you hear what he has to say about the soviets!

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

But seriously this is an argument that has been over since before anyone alive today was ever born

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

authoritarianism = bad is literal baby brain

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

All it really boils down to is "supports AES," though. The article even says as much.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Whoever taught liberals that word, I hope they have diarrhea forever.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

That would probably be some ultras, they are very desperate to be recognized by liberals as "true communists" unlike those "fake authoritarians". Liberals of course don't give a shit and immediately labeled ultras as tankies as well.

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

From Wikipedia:

The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.

I've never understood why there is any confusion over the word "tankie." It applies to the pro-cop left. If a leftist believes that it's necessary for cops to beat minorities and dissidents into submission for their society to function, they're tankies. If they approach leftism in a way that does not involve state violence against civilians to enforce those ideas, they're not tankies. To me there isn't a lot of gray area.

[–] audrbox@beehaw.org -1 points 3 hours ago

I've always thought of them as the communists who think communists are somehow uniquely immune to the "power corrupts" doctrine

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think your second paragraph follows from the first. The cited revolts were largely fascist in origin, for example the Hungarian revolt had the fascists lynching Soviet Officials and freeing Nazis from prison in order to assist with lynching Soviet Officials. Calling them "dissidents" or pretending they were ethnic minorities is ridiculous. Not answering fascists lynchings with violence would be incredibly terrible.

The "rebels" were trained and supplied by MI6, and had marked the doors of Jews and Communists for extermination.

Really curious what a "non-tankie" would recommend doing in such a situation. Giving the Nazis that killed hundreds of people flowers?

[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What you claimed is very believable to me, and I'm also prepared to believe that the reality of your claims is heavily censored in the English language. That being said I haven't been able to find evidence to support that the primary drivers of these respective uprisings were fascist or Western. I have only found evidence of other causes. I have no doubt opportunistic fascists and Western governments took advantage of these situations for their own benefit, but the origins of these situations seem to have been genuine domestic issues which were met with state violence causing the situation to escalate. Would you link me to your sources?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

This is a decent overview of the background that led up to the events of 1956, and this is a decent overview of the darker side, where the lynchings happened. Content Warning: lynched corpses. Here is a source on MI6 training and arming the counterrevolutionaries. Those 3 articles give only the briefest overview of the events, but don't do the real buildup to them, their complexities, what the people actually supported, or the real character in any depth. If you want to actually take a deep dive, these are additional sources:

The History of the Working Class Movement in Hungary

1956 Counter-Revolution in Hungary

Others can offer more sources.

Overall, when it comes to geopolitical enemies of the United States in particular, it would not be a bad idea to treat your current understanding with extreme skepticism until you've investigated counter-sources as well. That doesn't mean the US always lies, in fact it frequently tells mostly the truth, but will distory either the quality or quantity of an event.

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 13 points 16 hours ago

Its become the boomer equivalent of calling everything bad communist.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Just replace "woke" with "russian".

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